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To: RegulatorCountry
Under the articles of confederation, citizenship & naturalization laws were left up to the states. One of the main reasons for the federal constitution was to uniform citizenship because of the treatment of citizens of one state when traveling to another. The federal constitution did not place race as a factor for US citizenship. The 14th finally clarified US law and that was it. The states could no longer hold race against a person in denying them citizenship in the state. Hence the phrase in the 14th:

are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

From Beck's show on the black founders:

1768. Wentworth Cheswill, New Hampshire — elected to office in New Hampshire. He was re-elected for the next 49 years, held eight different political positions. A really cool story about him is we know that Paul Revere made his midnight ride. We also know he wasn't the only guy riding that night. The other guy riding, Wentworth Cheswill, black and white riding.

5 years after the passing of the 14th there were 6 black members of congress & one of them was “Speaker of the House”. Half of them were free citizens, such as Cheswill, prior to the ratification of the 14th & the other half had been held as slaves.

IOW, not ALL blacks were slaves prior to the ratification of the 14th Amendment and thus my holding that it did not emancipate the slaves, there was previous legislation for that. The 14th formally made the states recognize them as FREE US Citizens by formally defining US citizenship that was not subject to race, but to being born under the jurisdiction. Subject to the jusrisdiction is the KEY and we need to hammer it home.

The black causus of our current Congress & all their socialist followers don't want this information getting out and good luck finding it through a general search of the internet. According to them, black's didn't gain political respect until 5 years after the 14th was ratified. Nothing could be further from the truth.

55 posted on 06/13/2010 1:46:13 AM PDT by patlin
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To: patlin

States made every determination of citizenship prior to the 14th, yes, I’ve written upon that topic numerous times in the past as well. The 14th specifies no “race” whatsoever, so the continued focus upon black people in the purely legal context is a diversion.

What was “undone” was permitting States to deny citizenship to those who were born here of parents subject to no foreign power and under the complete jurisdiction of the United States. Where you’re going astray is in presuming this to have declared former slaves, nearly all of whom were black, to be natural-born. That cannot be done by the very nature of the birth status. That is the source of my disagreement with your statement.

Another diversion is recognizing that there were indeed free citizens of the era who were in fact black. These individuals were ipso facto natural-born if they were born of citizen parents; they certainly could have been and many were, particularly in New Orleans. Many of these free black citizens themselves owned black slaves. The 14th Amendment had no effect upon those who were born citizens, just as it had no effect upon the lack of natural-born citizen status for those not born as such prior to ratification of the 14th. It cannot be retroactive. The Constitution forbids it.

Above and beyond the controversy ignited in certain quarters by acknowledging these historic facts, the meaning of the term natural-born citizen was not and is not affected.


60 posted on 06/13/2010 8:43:07 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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