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Russian-Indian work on 5G fighter to go ahead without extra deal
RIA Novosti ^ | 6/11/2010 | RIA Novosti

Posted on 06/12/2010 2:18:25 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Russian aircraft holding Sukhoi has no plans to sign additional agreements creating a joint venture with its Indian partners in the production of a fifth-generation fighter, the general director said on Friday.

Russian Sukhoi holding and Indian Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) agreed in early 2010 to jointly develop a fifth-generation stealth fighter jet.

Sukhoi head Mikhail Pogosyan had said that an additional agreement would be signed specifying the Indian role in the project, but on Friday he said that the Russian company hoped work would begin soon without any such deal.

"We don't plan to sign a joint venture. We have agreed on joint work with our Indian colleagues," Pogosyan said.

He said the joint work could be carried out under the current agreement.

"We will do our part of the work, our Indian counterparts theirs," Pogosyan said. "At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture."

Earlier, HAL was reported to be seeking a 25% share in design and development in the project.

Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, was designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at a plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, in Russia's Far East.

Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft.

(Excerpt) Read more at en.rian.ru ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; fifthgeneration; india; indianairforce; komsomolsk; russia; sukhoi; t50

1 posted on 06/12/2010 2:18:26 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

The Sukhoi T-50 looks like something that will develop out into an extremely capable platform.


2 posted on 06/12/2010 2:22:21 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

To me, it looks like a Russian knock-off of the F-22. I am willing to bet in a hypothetical match against the F-22 or the F-35 the T-50 loses. IMHO,Russia does not have the experience of stealth technology unlike the USA which has decades of experience.


3 posted on 06/12/2010 2:49:13 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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To: valkyry1

However, I do give credit to Petr Ufimtsev for providing the mathematical model


4 posted on 06/12/2010 3:06:51 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Sounds like the Nokia’s and the SonyEricsson’s just before the iPhone whacked the living shit out of them.

Don’t rest on your laurels or you’ll find yourself replaced at the top soon after. Only the paranoid survive - wasn’t it Andy Grove who said that?


5 posted on 06/12/2010 3:08:04 AM PDT by MimirsWell (Scipio Pakistanus)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Didn’t Obama have a “security breach” of F-35 data within a month of taking office?


6 posted on 06/12/2010 3:20:42 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Similar, but different:

Sukhoi T-50

YF-23 (Lost to the YF-22)

F-22

7 posted on 06/12/2010 3:51:16 AM PDT by GBA (Resistance is Constitutional!)
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To: GBA

No horizontal stabs on the YF-23.


8 posted on 06/12/2010 3:55:34 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: sonofstrangelove
To me, it looks like a Russian knock-off of the F-22. I am willing to bet in a hypothetical match against the F-22 or the F-35 the T-50 loses.

With both thrust vectoring and the "blended canards" of the T-50, it would give the F-22 a very hard time in a WVR dogfight, but the F-35 would be toast.

BVR, it comes down to how many missiles you can carry, and again the F-35 falls short.

9 posted on 06/12/2010 4:01:32 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Always Independent
More comparisons:

It's obvious from the above comparisons that the T-50 is a unique design. I predict it should help sell a lot of F-22s!

10 posted on 06/12/2010 4:30:44 AM PDT by GBA (Resistance is Constitutional!)
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To: GBA
It's obvious from the above comparisons that the T-50 is a unique design. I predict it should help sell a lot of F-22s!

It's more of a hybridization of various features seen on Western stealth aircraft. Depending on the part of the airframe being looked at, and from what angle, you can see where the ancestry ties back to the F-22, F-23, F-117 (it's believed that the T-50 will use inlet screens to mask the compressor faces like the Black Jet did), etc.

Which isn't a knock on Sov ... er, Russian design capabilities. There are only so many design alternatives to skinning the proverbial stealth cat. Much in the same way that Buran looked so similar to the US Shuttle Orbiter design.
11 posted on 06/12/2010 4:49:41 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Yo-Yo
With both thrust vectoring and the "blended canards" of the T-50, it would give the F-22 a very hard time in a WVR dogfight, but the F-35 would be toast.

The real capability for both the F-22 and the F-35 are in the integrated missions systems, which will be EXTREMELY challenging (if not impossible) for the Russians to match.

For instance, are you factoring in the F-35's HMDS ... which provides line of sight cueing and will allow the pilot to take shots at an enemy by turning his head rather than actually maneuvering the aircraft?
12 posted on 06/12/2010 5:02:05 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
For instance, are you factoring in the F-35's HMDS ... which provides line of sight cueing and will allow the pilot to take shots at an enemy by turning his head rather than actually maneuvering the aircraft?

Are you taking into account that the Russians were the first to use helmet mounted cueing of high off boresight missiles in a production fighter, and have this in their current aircraft?

Are you taking into account that the F-22 has no helmet mounted cueing or display of any kind?

The Su-30 is not an opponent that should be taken lightly, and the T-50 builds upon this foundation.

13 posted on 06/12/2010 5:16:46 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sonofstrangelove

What is it about ivan’s planes and crappy views to the rear?


14 posted on 06/12/2010 6:29:28 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (If I don't like you, it's most likely your culture or your ideology that pissed me off.)
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To: tanknetter
Hybridization is a good description. In that front aspect comparison, if you took out the YF-22A and replaced it with the T-50-1, it would be a good morphing step in between the F-22A and the YF-23.

To me, it looks like a clean sheet design using the current library of aeronautical solutions. If it looks familiar, it's probably b/c we built and paid for most of that wing of the library. It's good stuff and since a lot of their engineers got their degrees here, they'd be stupid not to see what they can do with it.

And that's my point. It's a Sukhoi/HAL team effort and definitely not an F-22 knockoff. And this is just the prototype.

It will be interesting to find out what the first operational models can do. So...what was the argument for not buying any more F-22s?

15 posted on 06/12/2010 12:05:37 PM PDT by GBA (Resistance is Constitutional!)
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To: Centurion2000

Hiding flaws?


16 posted on 06/12/2010 8:28:00 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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