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No, it means that 81% thought another candidate was better, or they trusted Plain to make their choice for them. Their vote was not a referendum on his campaign. It was a referendum on who the voters thought was best for the position. As I told you, I have associates who voted for Fiorina even though they thought DeVore was the better man, solely based on Plain's endorsement.

hell I thought he was most likely the better choice. no way I would have voted for him. He was losing and at that point a vote for Devora was a vote for Campbell. And 81% thought his campaign sucked enough not to vote for him. It is two sides of the same coin. If you think someones campaign is better or you think theirs sucks. The fact is 81% of the Ca GOP thought his campaign was worse then the the others. As a voter for deVore you are a small minority of a minority. Yet you bitterly cling to the idea that if only more true believers were around devore could have been a contender. very sad.

Candidates can run a very good campaign, get their message out, and still lose an election. They touched all the bases. They still lost. They ran a great campaign, it's just that people disagreed with them.

Candidates can run short of funds and not be able to get their message out. They can loose. That isn't necessarily running a bad campaign. They may have run an excellent campaign on the funds they had.

DeVore was able to get 19% of the vote. He didn't have much funds. That doesn't mean that 81% of voting Republicans thought he ran a terrible campaign. If you can't see this, I can't help you.

minor point?

that was the entire reason for and timing of Palin's endorsement, the entire reason for the fact that many went with Carly over Devore to ensure that Campbell lost. Minor point? you would think its a minor point because to fully understand how major of a point it is. your entire argument would fall flat on its face. Unbelievable now you are just being willfully ignorant to the facts. Palin did not move the needle 36.6 pts. Palin plus 2million in ad buys plus the fact that DeVore remained stuck in last place moved the needle 36.6pts. Was Devore hiding $2 million in petty cash somewhere? Did Carly raise $2million off of Palin's endorsement? (not by a long shot)

Look brain trust, the minor point was that Campbell was ahead at the point you stated. You do remember that part of the conversation right? Just go back up thread and you'll note your were rubbing my incorrect perception in. Now you can't even remember what the discussion was.

The major point was that Plain could have helped DeVore. Yes, Plain did help Fiorina raise her percentage by 36.6%. And no, I don't think she would have been able to raise DeVore's that high due to his lack of funds, but the fact still remains that between three people, she didn't have to raise DeVore's by 36.6% to get him to win. She could have raised his standing by 25% or more and still gained him the win. And if he raised it 9% on his own, there's no reason to believe she couldn't have made the difference. And then we would have had the best person.

the rest of your post is nonsense. This from the guy who has refused to admit Fiorina is a Leftist for days on end. This from the guy who has refused to admit it's bad to back Leftists. This from the guy who has refused to admit it's a bad thing to back John McCain for reelection, even though this is what he has done with his life, and in particular with the influence he held in Wasington, D.C.

Nonsense? You have been the king of nonsense here. Far be it from me to knock you off your throne.

the last 14 months. Who has been better for the conservative agenda Snowe or Boxer? that's right Snowe has closed ranks and voted with the conservative leadership 95% of the time against Obama while boxer has voter 100% for Obama.

Ah well, look you dunderhead you, if you look at Snowe's record over the years, she votes against us regularly. Now you tout her votes with us. And that's rather amusing to me, because now that we're in the minority, it doesn't matter if she does or not. We still lose.

When we had the marjority, dear Ms. Snowe was helping the Left block our agenda. And then her vote WAS critical.

And despite this, you want to put more Snowe's in office. Why all this talk of gaining the majorty again, as you do down post, if we're going to install people who can block our agenda? And that's exactly what you are fighting to do. Why?

Now under the liberal bush Snowe voted liberal. shocker right there. Go figure. See, you know this stuff, you just don't have the metal faculties to gain meaning from it. And BTW, that would be RINO Bush. You know like RINO Fiorina, RINO McCain, the RINO people who support them, and on it goes...

As for the snide comment about Bush, the only hole in your logic is that Snowe didn't always vote with Bush when he was trying to do the right thing. And when he did push the wrong thing, there was Snowe, supporting his position.

I wonder what made her change her voting record. Well, to you it obviously couldn't make sense that getting the same pressure she always had, and her vote not being needed to pass leftist policy anyway, she didn't see any reason to vote as she generally had in the past. To me it seems rather obvious.

Could it be a leadership that understands the way back to power is stopping Obama. Would that be the same leadership that said, "We have nothing to fear from an Obama administration?" Or would that be the same leadership at the RNC, that complimented Democrats? Or would it be the same leadership that called Republicans racists because they objected to some of Steele's idiocy? Would that be the same leadership that supported TARP? Would that be the same leadership that supported Medicare Part D? Why yes..., it would. You're delusional.

you can not fathom that the footsoldiers views are meaningless in congress. Oh, hey, I have no problem fathoming what the hell is going on in Congress. That's why I don't want to send Carly Fiorina or John McCain to Washington to do what RINOs do. You're the one that sees no problem with it. You're the one who supports other people who don't have a problem with it.

It is the leadership that determines how the footsoldiers vote. Oh, so it was the leaders that told John McCain to vote for TARP. It wasn't his fault. And I suppose it wasn't his fault when he introduced the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill with Ted Kennedy. And I suppose it wasn't his fault when he introduced Campaing Finance Reform with Russel Feingold. And I guess it wasn't his fault when he introduced a bill with John Kerry. And it wasn't his fault when he introduced Global Warming bills three times with Joe Lieberman. It wasn't his fault when he joined George Soros to set up a political entity, that Teressa Heinz Kerry and the Tides Foundation was helping to finance. And it wasn't his fault when many of his campaign staff went to work for that entity making six figures. And it wasn't his fault that Jose Hernandez (a former aide to the President of Mexico) was one of them. And I suppose it wasn't John's fault when he pushed through MFN for Vietnam, retiring MIA efforts in the process over the objections of their families and numerous veterans groups. And on an on it goes...

the last 14 months show this on the dem and GOp side. the snowes are voting 100% conservative and the blue dogs are voting 100% liberal. Because the leadership tells them too. DeVore would vote the way the leadership told him too. If he wanted the nice committee appointment, the nice office, the nice staff, the perks etc. Devore would like Carly be a loyal footsoldier to the GOP leadership. It is the way DC works. Sure he would have shifted in small ways things in a slightly more conservative direction but when the chips are down he would have voted the way the leadership told him too. Just like Carly is going to do. that is reality. Okay, so what you are saying is that it makes no difference who we vote for as a Republican. We can vote for the worst people possible, and it all works out in Congress. Nice argument. I'm sure you think that rips to shreds the arguments of anyone who thinks electing RINOs destroys our ability to prevail. Here's a hint. It really doesn't. It destroys your credibility better than I ever could. Who is it you support? Oh yes, you support Fioina, McCain, and the person who supports all this, Sarah Plain. Just wanted to make sure folks were aware of that.

turn coats? Yes it is reasoned to state that a person, who thinks we should vote in Leftists and people who back Lefitsts who disagree with Conservatism, is a turncoat. I can see why that would bother you though. It should have you wincing. It's exactly what you have been doing here. It's exactly what some of the people you support have been doing.

So Reagan was a turn coat? Reagan was not a turncoat. And frankly, I do not approve of people who have so little decency that they would be willing to try to tarnish his reputation, in an effort to bolster someone elses, when that person cannot be defended on the point I have been making. It is wrong to vote for RINOs. It is wrong to spend months on end supporting Ted Kennedy Conservatives for re-election. It is wrong to try to help defeat people who are Reagan Conservatives.

You ideologues make me puke. Oh but you Leftists, Leftist supporters, and Leftist enablers shouldn't make us puke. Supporting John McCain and Carly Fiorina is what model Conservatives should be doing. Whew. If you can buy this lock stock and barrel like you obviously have, you've got a real identity crisis on your hands. You are centainly no Conservative.

Following your logic would get us 19% of the vote every time. If Plain could help raise Fiorina's vote total by 36.6%, there's no reason whatsoever to think she couldn't have helped raise DeVore's by 25 or more. Just explaining that Campbell and Fiorina were unacceptable, would have cut their support considerably. Sarah wouldn't do it. Now we know.

The goal is to advance the conservative agenda not to burn Rinos at the stake. It's one or the other you fool. If someone is not a Republican (Conservative) at the core, they are a Democrat at the core. Why are you so damned focused on getting Democrats elected to our ranks?

You wouldn't know a leader if you saw one. To be a leader on our side, you need to not only talk the talk, you need to be able to walk the walk. You can go around claiming to be a Conservative all you want, but if you're supporting Leftists for public office as a Conservative, you don't really believe what you're saying you do.

Next you will be telling me Hunter will come out of no where and lead us to the promise land. Hunter is a good man. You seem to relish talking down the good men in our party.

I will continue to talk down the Leftists and those who support them from within our ranks.

I can't support this. Other well known people can.

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