Meth Report Delayed After White House Raised Diplomatic Concerns

Main Justice ^ | June 9, 2010 | Joe Palazzolo

[gundog]

What do you mean by McCarthyism? McCarthy was right.

And his tactics were reprehensible.

And what do you mean by War on Drugs? Should they stop fighting Crystal Meth?

Primarily, I object to the militarization of local police forces. Oregon cracked down hard on meth production. Home labs are nearly unheard of these days. But meth is as plentiful as ever, because the porous border allows smuggling from Mex super-labs. So, if I want to buy some cold medicine contauning a pre-cursor ingredient for meth, I have to sign up on Big Brother's list.

[chuck_the_tv_out]

“And his tactics were reprehensible.”

How so? We now have socialist government thanks to that attitude.

War is war. You either deal with it or you don’t.

Unfortunately a lot of people like yourself would rather that we don’t.

You don’t like the tactics needed to stop drugs, and you don’t like the tactics needed to stop leftist infiltration of the US government.

[gundog]

Did I miss something? Is it illegal to be a socialist or a communist? Maybe it should be, eh? You prefer fascism to socialism?

[chuck_the_tv_out]

“You prefer fascism to socialism?”

McCarthy was not a fascist. Did McCarthy make it illegal to be a communist?

Finding and preventing infiltration by an enemy is not fascism.

[gundog]

One totalitarian "-ism" is as bad as another.

Did McCarthy make it illegal to be a communist?

Nope. Can't be done within the confines of the Constitution. Tell me how the blacklistings advanced freedom.

[chuck_the_tv_out]

“One totalitarian “-ism” is as bad as another”

Protecting your government from infiltration by people who want to destroy it is not totalitarianism.

I am sorry sir, but you have swallowed a leftist premise.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Oh for God’s sake. He is putting our “delicate” politics with Mexico over the damage meth does in this country?

I wonder how many tweakers he has come in contact with.

[gundog]

I'd suggest that the blowback from McCarthyism has done a great deal of damage. Every high school kid has had to suffer through Miller's The Crucible, and I don't recall anything being taught about the evils of communism.

[chuck_the_tv_out]

“I’d suggest that the blowback from McCarthyism has done a great deal of damage. Every high school kid has had to suffer through Miller’s The Crucible...”

lol. Yeah that’s because we caved! We should not have done!

But at least it’s gone from an argument about totalitarianism to an argument about blowback. I can accept that.

Blowback should be fought though, not caved to. The 60s & the 70s were dominated by liberals because conservatives instinctively knew they were right & didn’t get educated about the issues. That has massively changed. We can now, en masse, tell the people how & where they the left are wrong.

There is less blowback if you know where you stand & why you stand there. Few people did in McCarthy’s day. Unfortunately it seems you need the experience of being beaten to fight back.

[gundog]

Unfortunately it seems you need the experience of being beaten to fight back.

You also need the smarts to learn from that experience. If the Pubbies pull off a double whammy in Nov and 2012 and then do a GHWB or a Trent Lott, they'll have earned defeat, and matters may have to taken up by the people at large.