[raybbr]

...and not huggy-feely assistance programs that solved their problems.

Of course, I haven't had a drink in almost 22 years due to one of those "huggy-feely" programs (AA) but you go ahead and discount them. 8^)

[Little Pig]

You know I’m not talking about AA. I’m talking about the kinds of “all talk no action” social programs you always see from the government, where your problems are entirely the fault of someone or something else, so you’re not responsible. AA makes one admit that the problem is entirely one’s own fault, and that one must take responsibility for one’s own actions.