Ie, a varmint round called a shotshell, usually used for snakes and the sort. They probably went in with these initially as less than lethal.
Posted on 06/06/2010 10:15:56 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy
Israel was tonight under pressure to allow an independent inquiry into its assault on the Gaza aid flotilla after autopsy results on the bodies of those killed, obtained by the Guardian, revealed they were peppered with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range.
Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today.
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Dr Haluk Ince, the chairman of the council of forensic medicine in Istanbul, said that in only one case was there a single bullet wound, to the forehead from a distant shot, while every other victim suffered multiple wounds. "All [the bullets] were intact. This is important in a forensic context. When a bullet strikes another place it comes into the body deformed. If it directly comes into the body, the bullet is all intact."
He added that all but one of the bullets retrieved from the bodies came from 9mm rounds. Of the other round, he said: "It was the first time we have seen this kind of material used in firearms. It was just a container including many types of pellets usually used in shotguns. It penetrated the head region in the temple and we found it intact in the brain."
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The one thing that is strange is the one long-shot that hit a man in the temple: a container including many types of pellets usually used in shotguns.
There are lots of arms experts in the Freeper community. Any ideas? Could this be a shot from a special weapon used by the IDF or is it some home-made ammo used by the "peacniks"?
Which could mean that IDF soldiers were cornered and had no alternative but to defend themselves.
The full titel of the piece is "Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range"
If the IDf used shotguns, that would account for someone getting hit that many times.
“Gaza flotilla activists were shot at close range (FReeper firearm experts needed)”
DUH! How big is a boat deck?
Yes, shot at short range (even in the back) is in agreement with close combat, trying to defend colleagues that have been surrounded or even floored by knife- and club-wielding jihadists.
Ie, a varmint round called a shotshell, usually used for snakes and the sort. They probably went in with these initially as less than lethal.
Ping!
When avowed enemies come after you with sticks, clubs, knives....
I agree that the IDF commandos were fighting for their lives and had every right and duty to shoot as they did.
Thanks!
That seems to be the type of ammo that is described - although it appeared to contain different types of pellets.
I knew that I could trust Freepers to come up with something.
Used for snakes - sounds right to me
:-)
Video proof that IDF were attacked upon landing on ship.
Jihad supporters shot at close range proves that the shootings were in response to those attacks by brave and well trained IDF who choose not to die.
Clear self defense.
No need for any further inquiry. Case closed.
World upset. Prefers Jews as victims rather then as survivors and winners.
Lesson: Don’t take on the IDF......so you shall live.
I know more than a little about this subject. The “birdshot” round is probably a “Magsafe” product, that uses a bullet (projectile) casing with birdshot inside to be released once it enters the target and convey the max energy to the person shot, and be safe to unintended targets by not passing completely through to risk hiting another person. A hardball 9mm Nato will pass through more than one person. If the bad guys were clustered closely together, that could explain the multiple wounds, especially when you consider that there would be 2 holes for each shot, one going in and another exiting. Also, it takes a number of shots to put someone down with a 9mm, and one is taught in combat to shoot until the target is down and neutralized.
I’ve seen several different types of shotshell pellets, from plastic to small lead ones. I really doubt they could penetrate a skull unless it was at very close range (zero range) or it went just through soft tissue like the eye socket. I don’t trust this autopsy.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the IDF stopped using 9MM handguns years ago and replaced them with something with a bigger kick.
In fact, a first reporting on the shell casings found being 9mm an IDF spokesperson said the IDF no longer uses 9mm.
I think that going to a gunfight with anything that starts with less than .4 is not a good idea...
I didn’t know that a 9mm to the head wasn’t immediately fatal, though, but I guess you live and learn...
The peacenicks are, finally, peaceful, and that’s all I’d ask.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat-shot
Rat-shot is also used in some types of frangible ammunition, such as the Glaser Safety Slug. In these bullets, the shot is glued or sintered together inside a thin shell to form a projectile that fragments readily upon impact, reducing penetration and risk of ricochet.
Ignore my previous comment about not penetrating. I was thinking of just the varmint rounds I carry when camping, but as the previous poster mentioned, there are also Magsafe rounds that are made to penetrate and disperse.
It seems unlikely that a plastic-covered shotshell would be effective as a “long” shot, as decribed. Perhaps the Israelis had some Glaser ammo, or other similar frangible projectiles. Those *might* remain intact if the shot was taken at longer range.
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