Arizona Pastor's Worry: Criminalization of Ministry Work (because of state's new immigration law)

Christian Post ^ | 05/26/2010 | Michelle Vu

[WOBBLY BOB]

nobody is stopping them from evangelizing in MX to Mexicans.

[dalebert]

need to tell pastors this is no immigration law

[Pollster1]

The evangelical pastor said regular ministry work, such as driving teens to worship events, could be “criminalized” under the new Arizona law if a church worker knowingly transports youths who are illegally residing in the United States.

Horse manure! There is no connection between the text of the law (which I read in its entirety) and ministry work. This is just political rhetoric from an activist who puts worship of Obama ahead of worshiping God.

[Jeff Chandler]

Blah, blah, balh . . .

[Jeff Chandler]

bahl?

[Hodar]

The evangelical pastor said regular ministry work, such as driving teens to worship events, could be “criminalized” under the new Arizona law if a church worker knowingly transports youths who are illegally residing in the United States.

You mean, like harboring known felons? Or buying stolen merchandise? How about sneaking packages on board an aircraft that you didn't pack?

Our church in Austin would often ask members to take some local members to a larger city, to the Temple - which we adamantly REFUSED to do, for exactly this reason. What's wrong with refusing to aide and abeit a criminal activity?

[marron]

The new law simply restates existing federal law.

I’ve never heard of anyone being charged for driving a teenager to church. When it happens, I’ll worry about it.

[stripes1776]

Since when is the purpose of the church to help people to commit crimes?

[Uri’el-2012]

“We sympathize with so many who are frustrated in Arizona. But the solution is not piecemeal enforcement that targets Latino,” said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. “We need a better solution to make us all safe.”

To Republican lawmakers, Rodriguez said true conservatism is not preserving the white majority but propagating the ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

This is not a man of G-d, but a racist !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[hinckley buzzard]

Ever since the seventies, when protestant churches began to die from irrelevance and the Catholic Church began to endure the homosexual onslaught, seminaries have been willing to admit anyone who appears to have a pulse. Intelligence above that of a cabbage is nice but not required.

The above slop is a good clear illustration of why churches are dying off--so many of their "leaders" are too credulous and stupid to function effectively in the real world.

[SeekAndFind]

Since when is the purpose of the church to help people to commit crimes?

Well, the general principle is there are just laws and there are unjust laws. The church is NOT supposed to help the government enforce unjust laws ( e.g., give up or tell on Jews because Nazi Germany laws require citizens to do it ).

The problem with this pastor is he is incapable of differentiating between just and unjust laws. I think He believes the Arizona law is like the Nazi German one.

[stars & stripes forever]

Part of evangelizing is teaching people to observe the law.

[Red Dog #1]

Googled for “Ian Danley” and immigration...came up with 4,090 results. Really.

[SkyDancer]

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (“Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ”) (Matthew 22:21)

Caesar is saying it is illegal for you to be in the US without documentation (visa, green card, etc). So this pastor is aiding and abeting a crime against Caesar (US law)

[Anti-Utopian]

Well, the general principle is there are just laws and there are unjust laws.

I've never seen anything in the Bible that would indicate Christians should ignore "unjust" laws. Perhaps you are confusing the passages that show men ignoring laws that impede obedience to God?

[Honorary Serb]

First of all, under the law the police can ask for one’s ID ONLY if they are stopped for some potential or actual offense (ranging from a traffic violation to a suspect in a felony)! Normal ministry activities don’t qualify.

Second of all, this pastor needs to be set straight. You CANNOT worship both God and obama, since obama has set himself up as a god.

I hope that this pastor is not using his ministry as an excuse to harbor illegals, or to justify open borders and open immigration. That IS breaking existing law!!! The REAL solution to the immigration problem is to improve Mexico, not for America to set up a “y’all come” sign at the border and in “advocacy” centers.

[stripes1776]

The above slop is a good clear illustration of why churches are dying off--so many of their "leaders" are too credulous and stupid to function effectively in the real world.

Neither Protestants nor Catholics have a monopoly on inane and feel-good theology. I would say they are equally infected with the decay of sound theology. I don't know where liberation, socialist theology began, but it has distorted the thinking of many churches.

[fish hawk]

Hey church, if you are doing something illegal, stop it!

[Hoffer Rand]

“We don’t ask people for their documents to come hear about Jesus,”