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To: savagesusie
Having 99% of babies in the US not be exposed to the disease is the whole point. There are immunocompromised babies and other people who can't receive a vaccine, and the herd immunity of everyone else having had it is the only thing that protects them.

Wakefield was trying to discredit the MMR vaccine because he was involved in a competing vaccine. Enough fooled parents in the UK have prevented their children from being vaccinated that they've fallen below the levels needed for herd immunity against measles there and other children are dying than just their own.

86 posted on 05/24/2010 11:46:20 AM PDT by Styria
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To: Styria

And so you believe the propaganda that government and pharmaceutical companies are spewing as gospel? You accept their “evidence” as proof? I think that that is not only foolish and naive but is destroying our children.

You think that “scientists” are not bought off (Climategate and falsifications and vilifying of scientists has been going on for decades!!!! and there is a ton of proof!!!!!!).

Come on, “The Fugitive” was more than a great movie! Just imagine if you have an Eric Holder, Jr, instead of Tommy Lee Jones, as the FBI agent. Harrison Ford would have been killed and everyone would have thought that justice and truth was found. The naive public would have been so happy!

You have to look at the motives? Wakefield was crucified...his reputation was ruined. You think he was trying to gain “more” wealth and destroy everything he worked for years for by being a whistleblower? You think he was that naive? I read his report and I honestly think he was outraged by what was happening to those poor babies he was treating.

He had to record the facts and that is what is not controversial. (they attack his methods which had nothing to do with the facts of the children’s bodies). What is wrong with the facts? That is what is pertinent in scientific studies.

If I remember correctly, he didn’t even say that vaccinations caused the physical abnormalities, but that there was a correlation. It so happened that all the children who were suffering severe diarrhea had previously been vaccinated and there were certain found chemicals in their stools.

Maybe I am completely wrong on what I remember, BUT I DO remember thinking that his logic and reasoning was very sound. I had no position at that time on vaccination safety, so I had no bias.


90 posted on 05/24/2010 12:22:03 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Styria
Here is what I am really arguing:

Allan Bloom documented a "paradigm shift" in the thinking of American college students in the 1980's book The Closing of the American Mind. It is what Glenn Beck has labeled as "Progressive thinking".

We went from a God-centered moral-absolute, Christian paradigm to a "progressive" moral-relativism, social Darwinian atheism. A post-modern German philosophy that is steeped in Marxist ideology.

All educated elites have been indoctrinated into this way of thinking which defies logic and God's Law and Natural Law which is the foundation of this country. (although, not everyone is duped)

I will call this moral relativism as being really evil because it always leads to total chaos and tyranny eventually, after all Christian influence is annihilated.

Knowing how these people think (Margaret Sangers, John Deweys, Pres. Wilson) and what evil always springs from their godless ideas, I do not trust the people in the government or corporations. Power and money are their only motives. They are inhumane...They can't be otherwise.

Their power to destroy anyone who disagrees with their godless gospel is pretty much absolute. We see this systematic attack on Rush, Beck or whoever dares to challenge their worldview. A little known scientist has absolutely NO CHANCE whatsoever which should be so obvious to anyone.

What are their motives? It is obvious with all the power government has been usurping. They want a mass of non-thinking slaves to serve them and do whatever they say. Vaccination system is a great way to sterialize (as explained by Gates at population conference) and if Communist Chinese wanted to destroy the future thinkers in this nation wouldn't it be easy to poison them like they have done with pet food--all through the vaccination system. When governments mandate every child to have a shot, the potential danger can not be overlooked. By the time any contaminate would be discovered thousands of children would have been harmed, if not millions.

What about the contaminated vaccinations that caused the Gulf War Syndrome? Creating a sick group out of our young, healthy men who should be having families and raising brave sons and daughters? Brainwashing and cover-ups about vaccinations have been going on for over 50 years, whether they were contaminated with monkey viruses or whatever. I would NEVER trust govt. or the pharmaceutical companies or the ignorant pediatricians (and they are ignorant on what is in vaccines...just ask them).

Do your own research, trust your gut and debate with your doctor to come up with the best plan of action. Don't be a little uninformed zombie who accepts whatever someone says--Most people (even doctors) are pretty lazy when it comes to researching to confirm the truth, efficacy and the real results of their actions and the actual destruction to the body of most drugs.

98 posted on 05/24/2010 1:35:51 PM PDT by savagesusie
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