Posted on 05/24/2010 8:44:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW
I know of innocent people who have been "convicted" of fraud and I haven't seen the evidence against Wakefield, so I can not condemn him. The fact that people "recanted" could mean that big pharma pressured them or bribed them as is done frequently. Did you ever watch Ben Stein's Exiled movie, how scientists that weren't on the evolution bandwagon didn't get tenure and were denied grant money all because they would not rule out ID?
I read Kuhn's book on scientific revolutions and the pressure among scientists to think in the box is extreme. They literally try to destroy those that go outside that box. Right now we have the "vaccine good" box which started a hundred years ago, and our understanding of vaccinations has increased to such a degree that we understand the negatives of each vaccination. You seem to think they are perfectly "safe" with no risk. That is dumbfounding to me. Then you think that you can mandate those injections, even in cases where their is little to justify the risk...seems very fascist to me.
Did you ever get the info on the mercury load in all the shots from the 70s? From the 80s? 90s? Now?
What does that matter when they increased the number of shots given to infants by threefold in the 80’s????? That was one of my MAJOR POINTS!!!! They didn’t even have the HEP B shot until the 90’s when they introduced that one and killed infants and had to take it off the market....3 doses even!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That trippled the amount of toxins in the first few years of life, mercury included. You did not obviously watch the videos...they made a diagram of the number of shots given in the 70’s , 80’s, 90’s and 00’s which tripled. Do you still think that each shot has NO RISKS when all vaccines contain known toxins? Could that not cause havoc in a tiny little body with an immature immune system?????????????? Where is your logic?????????????????????????????????? (Oh ya, the babies might engage in risky behavior so the toxins are justified to SAVE THEM FROM DEATH—we can destroy some brain cells for THAT!!!!!)
The videos also diagrammed and listed the amount of mercury put into infants which surpassed the amounts allowed by the FDA in adults. The articles I sent stated that when mercury was “removed” they increased the aluminum in the vaccines and they added new shots to the regimen which still had mercury like the flu shots, etc, even to pregnant women which increased the mercury exposure.
You claimed that even though they reduced the amount of mercury in each shot, they wanted to keep injecting babies with the same amount of mercury, so they increased the number of shots.
I understood your claim to be that kids with more shots now receive as much, or more, mercury in their shots than kids received in their shots in the 70s.
Now all you need is proof.
You did not obviously watch the videos
That's correct. Any assclown can stand in front of a camera and spout BS. Obama does it every day.
So please, if you expect anyone to take you seriously, link to something with real numbers, not a video.
Which contains more mercury: tuna sandwich or a vaccine with thimerasol?
If you look through the 40 videos she posted, the answer is in there.
Big Tuna is trying to kill us!!!! Where is your logic?????
You have a good point....who knows unless you test everything? You can’t...
..so you have to place trust in government agencies?????? We know how successful that is, and how no bribes and payoffs affect bureaucracies.
Then you could believe pharmaceutical companies whose whole reason for existing is profit. They are wealthy enough to buy off anyone, including doctors to make studies appear a certain way and to guarantee “safety” of products and to buy off politicians to create laws that limit liability, etc, which they have done. They also have reason to hush up any truth that will destroy profits.
There is a major problem with our government intrusion and corporate power which can never be in the best interests of our population. In fact, there is a need for a sickly, dependent population to support both.
The answer is in free markets, competition, and just laws and, the most important, free press, and free speech for everyone.
LOL....I think I listed only two, but yes, there are thousands of people who are making similar claims.
Any clown can make a claim in a video.
The videos cited government studies and results that can be researched, also levels of mercury content and other adjuvants and metals. Is that the way you condemn Wakefield....by what you suspect is true which no actual facts or documents to back it up, but hearsay from pharmaceutical whores?
Excellent! Then to prove your claims, you just need to post links to the studies.
Is that the way you condemn Wakefield
He shouldn't be condemned for falsifying results? Because he was paid by a lawyer to do so?
If his case is so strong, no fraud would be needed to prove it.
But if he's a scumbag preying on the ignorance of others, why do you defend him? What about the children who died because of his lies? You defend that too?
I never said they “reduced” the mercury in shots. The corporations were forced to take it out of their vaccinations by the pressure of parents groups. Until that time, they upped the number of mandated shots for infants in the 80’s, 90’s which correlated with the “epidemic” in Autism.
After taking mercury our of the vaccines, then the sneaky corporations said it was necessary for INFANTS AND PREGNANT WOMEN to get flu shots that had (surprise) mercury in them!!!!!! Then of course, they could claim-—SEE the autism rate is NOT going down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!All you millions with damaged children have NO CASE AGAINST US!!!!!DUH!!!
We don't need to guess here. Canned tuna has been tested extensively and it contains methylmercury...which can cross the placenta and the blood/brain barrier. There is zero methylmercury in thimerosal. A pregnant woman eating a tuna sandwich is a far greater risk to her baby than any vaccine.
Oh yeah, since the MMR vaccine and the Hep B vaccine and the single-dose Flu vaccines do not contain any thimerosal...what exactly are objecting to here?
Taking it out (under pressure) isn't reducing the mercury?
Until that time, they upped the number of mandated shots for infants in the 80’s, 90’s which correlated with the “epidemic” in Autism.
That's awful. So how much mercury did they get in the shots before? How much mercury now? Use numbers.
SEE the autism rate is NOT going down
Until you get the numbers on the amount of mercury, you're just some hysterical (fact free) poster on FR.
Why do the sneaky corporations manufacture single dose flu shots and flumist...you know the vaccines with zero (surprise) mercury?
I defend Wakefield because I am NOT SURE that he wasn’t framed by a billion dollar corporation that has its tentacles around the necks of too many physicians, government officials, and MEDIA, that can affect all courts and laws and “evidence” and opinion.
You think Joseph McCarthy, Tailgunner Joe, was a “bad” guy or a patriot. It all depends on who you believe in writing the “facts”— The commie progressives who were entrenched in the media and government at the time, or the actual documents which the “people” never saw because of the distortion and lies in the press.
I read Wakefield’s study. I thought he did a great job on it and I haven’t been shown any evidence of the actual fraud. All I know is what the “peer review” articles “claim” and then, I don’t believe in their “hockey stick” peer review fraud either. Like I said, science has paradigms that (Kuhn) they have an INTEREST in maintaining—the present on “vaccinations good” is the paradigm that needs to be shattered.
That does not mean that some vaccines are not necessary. It just means that the RISKS have got to be weighed!!!!! and the parents should be the ones that make the ultimate decision to the necessity to the vaccination.
for profits and for those who know that mercury is a known poison
Framed? They made him falsify data? They made the sleazy lawyer pay him? Please explain further.
You think Joseph McCarthy, Tailgunner Joe, was a “bad” guy or a patriot.
That's an excellent question. I'd love to discuss it further.
After you post the numbers for mercury in vaccines, you know, the numbers that back up your claim.
Why do you suppose most young adults and parents have no idea how damaging even tiny amounts of mercury is on brain cells and that it accumulates? In fact, their knowledge of chemistry is nil, their logic is based on feelings, and their extent of knowledge is the sexual partners of actors and what a hunk Che is.
Do you honestly think that our public schools are putting out the most ignorant people in the history of this country so they can understand science and logic so they can fight the road to serfdom?
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