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The Consequences of Religious Apathy
CDS ^ | 4/30/2010 | Ken Connor

Posted on 05/20/2010 11:47:36 AM PDT by ezfindit

“Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.” Alexis de Tocqueville

In his treatise, The Christian Manifesto, published in 1981, Francis Schaeffer suggests that the gradual shift away from a Judeo-Christian (or at least a Creationist) worldview towards a materialistic view of reality has broad sociological and governmental implications for western society. His is an interesting thesis to ponder in light of a recent article in USA Today discussing religion and the Millennial Generation.

The article cites a recent survey conducted by Lifeway Christian Resources, which reveals that Millennials (defined as Americans born approximately between 1980 and 1995) are distancing themselves from traditional religious forms in favor of a personally-defined, nebulous kind of “spirituality.” These individuals are less likely to pray, they don’t read the Bible, and they don’t go to church. Among the 65% who identify themselves as Christian, “many are either mushy Christians or Christians in name only. . . . Most are just indifferent.” Theological indifference may seem like no big deal in an age where moral relativism and the cult of the individual reign, but it’s worth considering Schaeffer’s argument that – whether we realize it or not – our understanding of religion and its role in society has a direct impact on our politics.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christianity; government; moralrelativism; religion

1 posted on 05/20/2010 11:47:37 AM PDT by ezfindit
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To: ezfindit

God rest the soul of Francis Schaeffer. We are just beginning to edxperience the consequences of immorality, lack of faith in our magestic triune God, self discipline and allegience to honor and duty. And we ain’t seen nothing yet!


2 posted on 05/20/2010 11:58:25 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: ezfindit

A Francis Schaeffer ping. Because I read all of his books, twice (you almost have to).


3 posted on 05/20/2010 11:59:27 AM PDT by FoxPro (Out side of a dog, books are mans best friend. Inside of a dog, it is to dark to read.)
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To: ezfindit
My daughter is a "millenial" having been born in 1989. She is as strong in the Roman Catholic faith as anyone I know - no mushiness about it.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
4 posted on 05/20/2010 12:00:25 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: ezfindit

Born in peace, stability and great wealth of the USA - Millenials could possibly be the most fortunate and comfortable generation ever yet to be born onto this earth. Who needs God when life is so easy?

Nothing lasts forever though, and I sense they will need to find God sooner or later - both individually and even as a group.


5 posted on 05/20/2010 12:03:25 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: ezfindit
The relationship between morality and faith is a subject that has interested me for at least a decade. I am a Christian, and I believe that God is the source of all truth and morality; however, the argument by Atheists, such as Hitchens, is that you do not have to believe in God to be moral. If you believe that God has written his moral law into our hearts, in which morality would be innate, then you would not have to believe in God to be moral. Moral means that which is acceptable behavior in a specific society. From a meta-ethical perspective, without an absolute Law Giver, there is no objective moral absolute. Nothing is intrinsically good or bad. It is relative to either a culture or an individual. It is subjective.
There are a number of Darwinian ethicists that view morality as an illusion. Even free will is an illusion. We are simply acting out what our genes tell us to do. This latter view is becoming accepted more and more within our society. This reduces humans to Little more than naked apes.
6 posted on 05/20/2010 12:15:10 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: ezfindit

That is one reason that we here the word libertarian more frequently.


7 posted on 05/20/2010 12:19:13 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Nosterrex

If we were little more than naked apes, what would be the problem and how would it change things?


8 posted on 05/20/2010 12:29:54 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: ezfindit
In his treatise, The Christian Manifesto, published in 1981, Francis Schaeffer suggests that the gradual shift away from a Judeo-Christian (or at least a Creationist) worldview towards a materialistic view of reality has broad sociological and governmental implications for western society. His is an interesting thesis to ponder in light of a recent article in USA Today discussing religion and the Millennial Generation.

Related thread:
A Christian Manifesto (Francis A. Schaeffer)

9 posted on 05/20/2010 1:12:08 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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To: stuartcr
It would have a huge impact upon society. Morality or ethics does not exist in nature. Animals do not worry about animal rights. It is simply based upon the fang and claw or survival of the fitest. A species exists by being selfish. If human beings were nothing more than naked apes, there would no altruism. People would never act contrary to their own self-interest, and they certainly would not sacrifice for a stranger. It is contrary to nature to care for the weak or sick a in society. There have been societies that have developed a social Darwinism that have sought to eliminate what hey believed to be inferiors, such as the mentally retarded, and Jews.
10 posted on 05/20/2010 1:32:22 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: ezfindit
Without true religious faith involving submission to the Lord God, the tendency is inevitable to find substitute “gods”.

I.e.: materialism, eroticism, (political) Utopia-ism, and, above all, narcissism (I, my, me, mine).

If one makes him or herself a god, then the feeling of omnipotence, power and self-importance follows. This is the essence of liberalism—and its arrogance, vanity, and contempt “for the uninformed and, hence, lesser . . .”

11 posted on 05/20/2010 9:29:29 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: mtntop3
Faith is a gift...not everyone receives it...

Many reject it and require empirical proof.

12 posted on 05/20/2010 9:48:02 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: FoxPro

Agreed. The first time through, you are acqauinting yourself with philosphical lingo. The next time through you actually understand what he is saying. I enjoyed his video series that were on the scene back in the ‘80s and ‘90s. I wonder if they have been made into DVDs? It would be wonderful to listen to (watch) them again!


13 posted on 05/20/2010 11:48:25 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Shery

Yes, the first time through was almost painful (reading Schaeffer).

The second time through is almost an out of body experience.

Sort of like a really good psychotropic drug with beneficial side effects.

The best way to read Schaeffer, is to read each chapter twice. I didn’t actually plan on doing this, it just came out to be in a natural progression. Especially “The God Who Is There”, “Escape from Reason” and “He Is There and He Is Not Silent”. Which is basically a complete college degree in history, in three books. I read these when I was 15, and boy was I one precocious history student in high school and college. I had all the answers, and still do.

I bought the whole series of his books (20 or so) and my kids are constantly mailing them to each other and their cousins.

Could you imagine what a country this would be if these were required reading in our public schools?


14 posted on 05/21/2010 7:48:17 AM PDT by FoxPro (Out side of a dog, books are mans best friend. Inside of a dog, it is to dark to read.)
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To: NYTexan

To gain faith, one must commit to some faith. The door is open; one must decide whether to walk through it and receive the gift of gifts.

Empirical evidence is everywhere, beginning with the Earth and all its works, a “simple” flower or leaf, the Universe, our very lives brief as they are . . .

But many view the creations of God as god or gods—and surely tend to view themselves as lords and masters of creation...while being nothing more than a microsecond’s dust . . .


15 posted on 05/22/2010 7:35:51 AM PDT by mtntop3
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