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Fear of a Double Dip Could Cause One
New York Times ^ | May 14, 2010 | Robert Schiller

Posted on 05/16/2010 5:19:10 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The risk of a double-dip recession hasn’t abated, even after news of the huge European bailout in response to the Greek debt crisis.

World markets soared initially on the announcement of the nearly $1 trillion rescue plan, and then declined. But as the economist John Maynard Keynes cautioned long ago, such market reactions are basically a “beauty contest” — with investors trying to predict the short-term reaction that other investors think still other investors will have.

In other words, don’t view these beauty contests as a heartfelt response to a fundamental change in the economy.

In fact, there is still a real risk of a double-dip recession, though it can’t be quantified by the statistical models that economists use for forecasts. Instead, the danger stems from the weakness and vulnerability of confidence — whose decline could bring markets down, further stress balance sheets and cause cuts in consumption, investment and local government expenditures.

Ultimately, the risk resides largely in social psychology. It is the fear of fear itself, of which Franklin D. Roosevelt famously spoke.

From 2007 to 2009, there was widespread concern about the risk of an economic depression, but that scare has been abating. Since mid-2009, it has been replaced by the milder worry of a double-dip recession, as a count of Web searches for those terms on Google Insights suggests. And with that depression scare still fresh in our minds, sensitivity to the possibility of another downturn remains high.

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Gee. Ya THINK?
1 posted on 05/16/2010 5:19:10 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

So all we have to fear, is fear itself?


2 posted on 05/16/2010 5:20:01 AM PDT by silverleaf
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Ultimately, the risk resides largely in social psychology.”

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Bullcrap.

The risk resides largely on the fact we have marxists running America.

The NYT is nothing but a propaganda rag, constantly making excuses for leftwing incompetence and greed.

Not qualified, for wrapping fish with.


3 posted on 05/16/2010 5:22:54 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Rubio 2012)
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To: silverleaf

I’m a-feared of fear. ;)


4 posted on 05/16/2010 5:24:36 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

In other news, reading the NY Times could make one ignorant.


5 posted on 05/16/2010 5:30:42 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

My observation is that the underground economy is alive and well


6 posted on 05/16/2010 5:31:03 AM PDT by Pardeeville Liberator
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
A lot of the daily ups and downs of the market is based in psychology. The give and take of fear and greed.
But this ignores the 900 Lb gorilla in the room, the underlying foundation of companies producing real products or services.

It is the sucking off of the life blood of these companies (capital) by the vampire of government that is killing off the markets.

7 posted on 05/16/2010 5:33:56 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
The consensus of economists lately has been that there will not be a "double dip" recession.

FWIW Shiller called the "Dot-com" bubble and the real estate bubble. Few if any other economists did the same.

I expect the economy will start to pick up in January 2013.

8 posted on 05/16/2010 5:36:51 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
This reeks of concern for Barry....

Why do I get the feeling that EVERYTHING out of the NYT’s is political? Would they be advocating the error of thinking our way into another recession if a Republican was in the White House?

I swear, the desire to have sex with other men or kill their unborn children drives the Left into such contortions...

9 posted on 05/16/2010 5:39:21 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Glutton for punishment since 1998!)
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To: Politically Correct
It is the sucking off of the life blood of these companies (capital) by the vampire of government that is killing off the markets.

Crony capitalism, i.e. the incestuous relationship between Wall Street and Washington DC, is what is killing our economy. The vampire of government gets its sustenance from the "blood bankers" that wear $2000 suits, courtesy of the widows and orphans they purport to serve.

10 posted on 05/16/2010 5:39:43 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Jim Robinson
Ultimately, the risk resides largely in social psychology. It is the fear of fear itself, of which Franklin D. Roosevelt famously spoke.

I call BS, Mr New York Times.

The risk resides in:

1. The expiration of Bush tax cuts in January
2. The inclusion of new taxes/fees for ObamaCare
3. Massive deficits doubled by huge new ObamaCare expenditures
4. The Iraq Withdrawal Lie: the US is to station the same number of troops in Kuwait and "tour Iraq" each month with different groups of those troops.
5. The Afghan Withdraw Lie: (see above for some idea of the sneakiness of these criminal politicians)
6. Cap n Trade: huge increases in costs of energy
7. Oil Spill: more increases due to fight to end gulf drilling
8. VAT tax on the horizon

Costs, costs, costs, and costs upon costs.

Doesn't give any businessman I know a warm, cozy feeling.

11 posted on 05/16/2010 5:44:01 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Just think good thoughts! Happy days are here again! The recession is over! Get out there and BUY BUY BUY!!”


12 posted on 05/16/2010 5:44:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: xzins

THey are preparing the blame. They will blame conservative media for sabotaging the psychology. It’s our fault, and we must be curbed, ya see. Too much freedom of speech, and so on.


13 posted on 05/16/2010 5:45:28 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Fear of a Double Dip Could Cause One

No, fear of Obama WILL cause one.


14 posted on 05/16/2010 5:46:40 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

No, not the fears of a double dip.

The reality that the current economy is in a bubble will cause the next leg down.

Stories like this are proof that they know this is just a bubble that is bound to crash. And they are already providing cover for Obammie and his Commies by trying to blame it on “fear.”

“If ya’ll hadn’t been all afraid and stuff, you’d be wealthy right now.”

This is like trying to pin the 2000 recession (tech bubble bursting) on George W. Bush for mentioning the fact that we were in a recession during the 2000 debates.


15 posted on 05/16/2010 5:48:08 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I thought they announced that there will be no double dip. Why is the NYT restarting the discussion?


16 posted on 05/16/2010 5:49:17 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Celente has been calling this a bailout bubble for awhile as is schiff.

I think we are screwed so bad and so royally that they are intentionally keeping the truth from us for fear of bank runs and people hoarding stuff.


17 posted on 05/16/2010 5:51:06 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: Night Hides Not
Crony capitalism, i.e. the incestuous relationship between Wall Street and Washington DC, is what is killing our economy.
The vampire of government gets its sustenance from the "blood bankers" that wear $2000 suits, courtesy of the widows and orphans they purport to serve.

Agreed.
The incestuous relationship between the bankers, financiers and the government is part of the process of sucking the taxpayer dry and the misalocation of capital.

The US taxpayer bailed out AIG so that they could payback French and German bankers and bond holders......yeah, that was good use of our money ":^(

18 posted on 05/16/2010 5:54:35 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: GlockThe Vote

That is definitely what they are doing.

They are trying to float this through the Nov. midterm elections.

If you compare most of the critical numbers, we are set up for a crash worse than the follow-up crash after that of 1929.

The only trouble is that we can’t borrow our way out of this recession/depression (because it is a credit/debt-based recession, not an inventory-based recession) and we can’t manufacture/produce our way out of this.

When it crashes, the only remedy is to free the markets up so that we can clear out this bad debt. It may take 10 years of economy agony to right this economy.

The other alternative is that people panic about lost fortunes and lost retirement and they demand a global currency run by a global bank.

Which makes a lot of sense, when you think about — to demand that those who caused this catastrophe to control over all the world’s economy. (sarc, obviously)


19 posted on 05/16/2010 5:57:07 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: xzins

“Doesn’t give any businessman I know a warm, cozy feeling.”

It sure doesn’t. I’m due for a raise in July. I’m not holding my breath...I’ll be glad to just hold on to my health care package and/or my job.


20 posted on 05/16/2010 6:03:26 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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