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Deval Patrick implores gun law passage
Boston Herald ^ | May 11, 2010 | Hillary Chabot

Posted on 05/11/2010 3:56:14 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

Gov. Deval Patrick said the senseless shooting death of a teenage Boston honors student this weekend should prompt lawmakers to act on a stalled measure detailed in the Herald that would target machine gun ownership.

“The tragedy over the weekend in Boston with another 14-year-old who was killed just underscores the importance of getting action,” Patrick said yesterday.

The governor said he spoke with the slain teen’s mother yesterday morning and told her, “It’s not the order of things that you bury your own child. That a child who is doing right and is playing on the streets would be the victim of a random gunshot is not acceptable.”

Jaewon Martin, 14, was gunned down Saturday as he and a friend were playing at a basketball court at the Bromley-Heath housing project.

House Speaker Robert A. DeLeo (D-Winthrop) is considering the legislation in light of Martin’s tragic death, said spokesman Seth Gitell.

The Herald reported yesterday that licensing of the dangerous automatic weapons has skyrocketed - even though an 8-year-old boy was killed using one at a gun show more than two years ago.

Some lawmakers have bristled at Patrick’s legislation, which they say goes too far and would strip law abiding gun owners of their rights.

The bill, which is in the judiciary committee on Beacon Hill, would limit gun sales to one firearm a month and ban anyone who isn’t the licensed owner or a police officer from having a machine gun.

Patrick also blamed gun lobbyists for the delay yesterday. “Look, there’s a lot of volume that the gun lobby has in this building,” Patrick said, adding that lawmakers ought to listen to the victims of crimes instead.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
"Idiot libs don’t know the difference between a semi-automatic rifle and a fully automatic weapon."

Oh, they know. The "bait and switch" is deliberate. The antigunners long ago said as much directly. The problem is that much of the non-gun-owning population DOESN'T know the difference.

21 posted on 05/11/2010 4:54:38 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: smithandwesson76subgun

I stand corrected. I don’t normally price full auto machine guns. I know that a few years back at gunshows, I saw full auto M-16’s for around 15,000. Patrick is just another political hack trying to score political points, trample peoples civil rights on the dead bodies of his former constituents...


22 posted on 05/11/2010 4:55:42 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: smithandwesson76subgun
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23 posted on 05/11/2010 4:57:00 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea.")
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To: Second Amendment First

Yea, I like to go there just for the gun porn. Every once in awhile they have a transferable G.E. mini gun.


24 posted on 05/11/2010 5:12:35 AM PDT by smithandwesson76subgun (full auto fun)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I think they want to restrict possession of a machinegun to the licensed owner.

No rentals at the range.
No letting your buddy try it out, even if you're standing next to him.
25 posted on 05/11/2010 5:26:00 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Yes, the Federal law makes machine guns practically extinct in the civilian market.

Correct. No new fully automatic weapon manufactured after 1986 may be transferred into civilian ownership. Thus, only pre-1986 weapons are (legally) in the hands of civilians.

26 posted on 05/11/2010 5:42:19 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: Second Amendment First

I don’t call it “gun crime”-in fact many of these stories from the ‘hood involve beatings, stabbings, etc

I call it “nonwhite crime” 90-95% plus of the perps are nonwhite. There’s always a big hoo-ha about how high a percentage of the VICTIMS are-well, how about the perps?

That’s the “culture” they loudly brag about-when not trying to give some lame-ass excuses-Reagan’s fault, Bush’s fault, white flight, gentrification, blah blah blah


27 posted on 05/11/2010 7:26:37 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: Second Amendment First
"machine gun"- Huh?

The Fed's have already prohibited machine gun ownership for all, but the most dedicated. I'll bet that Hillary Chabot doesn't know, which end of the weapon the round comes out.

28 posted on 05/11/2010 8:22:51 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Unfortunately, you’re right.

The big city libs don’t know squat about firearms, and the gun-grabbing left takes advantage of their ignorance.


29 posted on 05/11/2010 8:40:31 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm voting for Sarah Palin because she pisses off the right people.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
"I think they want to restrict possession of a machinegun to the licensed owner."

Before they enact this ridiculous law, I'd like them to do a study of how many crimes have been committed with a legally licensed fully auto rifle/machine gun. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that zero crimes have been committed with these. They are indeed idiots...
30 posted on 05/11/2010 8:46:42 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Exactly, I know of TWO.
Both of them by police officers.
One, recently (Pennsylvania, IIRC) grabbed his department MP-5 and show up his neighborhood, include his police chief who lived next door.

Extremely rare.
However, it doesn’t help in the case of the 8-year-old who was given unsupervised range time (you can’t call a 12 year-old watching him “supervision) with a Micro UZI and he shot himself with it, with cops and range-goers present.

I mean, you would be criminally negligent if you gave an 8 year-old a jackhammer or other dangerous tool, but those nitwits let him handle a full auto Micro UZI. Arguably one of the most uncontrollable FA machine-pistols in existence.


31 posted on 05/11/2010 9:56:43 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: caver

He was shot multiple times...it had to be a machine gun. /s


32 posted on 05/11/2010 10:08:47 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: smithandwesson76subgun
Full auto can be had for under $4000 dollars.

Which is why you don't see gangbangers running around with full autos...they're harder to steal and keep.

33 posted on 05/11/2010 10:11:17 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: SJSAMPLE
"However, it doesn’t help in the case of the 8-year-old who was given unsupervised range time"

How does that happen? What are the rules at that gun range? Was he breaking the rules? I would think he was. I don't think that would be allowed at my gun club. Not saying that people don't break the rules, they do. But it would not be allowed via the rules of the gun club.
34 posted on 05/11/2010 10:11:51 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

When it comes to handing an machine-pistol to an eight year-old, I don’t think range rules matter when common sense goes out the window. That kid shouldn’t have fired that weapon with ANY level of supervision.

As a result, everybody in MD may suffer.


35 posted on 05/11/2010 10:16:31 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE
When it comes to handing an machine-pistol to an eight year-old, I don’t think range rules matter when common sense goes out the window. That kid shouldn’t have fired that weapon with ANY level of supervision.

As a result, everybody in MD may suffer.

I agree completely. There are many irresponsible gun owners out there, and you can find them on YouTube. They'll hand an S&W 500 to a girlfriend without eye or ear protection and no experience in firing a gun, and then laugh when she smacks herself in the face.

I saw one where the recoil caused her to involuntarily fire it again and she almost blew her head off. I love my weapons, but they are not toys. It's not funny in the least.

There is no way an 8 year old has the capability to fire a Mini Uzi. No way.

36 posted on 05/11/2010 10:31:12 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278

If you can search back that far, try to find the FR threads on the case of the eight year-old. I’m in many of them.

You wouldn’t believe the number of people that sided with the gun owner, the father, the range master and the cops who were present. Many of them refused to separate their Second Amendment rights from the notion of child endangerment.


37 posted on 05/11/2010 10:39:39 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

I’m sure that is the case. Just because someone can do something doesn’t make it the wise thing to do. There is a difference, as you know.


38 posted on 05/11/2010 10:46:34 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278

That makes sense!


39 posted on 05/11/2010 11:22:28 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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