Posted on 05/09/2010 8:59:35 PM PDT by Syncro
Ok thx. What did you find unappealing specifically?
Simple: He's desperate for air time and that is how his consultants get paid. The consultants aren't using the Tea Party like they should be because they don't make money that way. DeVore needs somebody so he has little choice. Were we on FR and elsewhere doing OUR JOB of consolidating the base instead of waiting for the media to give him traction, we'd be a lot farther along.
This is, after all, about self-government.
Thank you.
It was an unfortunate comment made in ignorance.
But I refuse to grovel in politically correct repentance.
> She damn near ran HP right off of a cliff. But before she did that, she bought plenty of private jets and laid off 20,000 hard-working Americans.
Precisely. It’s bad enough that she’s a RINO, but she’s freaking incompetent as well. I have friends who worked at HP who know the whole story. I want this woman NO WHERE NEAR power in CA.
Sarah is way off base backing this woman.
An endorsement by a Tea Party organization, even the largest, is not necessarily indicative of overall Tea Party support. No one owns the Tea Party “movement” but a lot of groups are cashing in on the name, pols included.
Exactly, people are responding as if the race is between fiorina and devore alone. Tom Campbell is the real rinoschnitzel in the race. Chuck devore had his chance and by his hannity appearance would be dead in the water. If you want another whining Lugar/Voinovich/specter type republican in the senate, keep undercutting fiorina on degores behalf.
Yes they did, especially Mr Jefferson.
Look folks Devore was polling at 13%. That’s the bottom line. Campbell, a RINO, was on his way to winning the GOP primary without some intervention.
In her Facebook post, Palin made it clear that she was playing the part of a deus ex machina to try to change that inevitability, for as she put it (paraphrased) Campbell is no different from Boxer.
Fiorina is not perfect. But she is a fiscal conservative and she is now only a few points behind Campbell in the last poll taken, before the Palin endorsement. Palin did not hide her hope that her endorsement could put Carly over the top and was not disingenuous.
Now to those who now want to call Palin a RINO. Are you really kidding me? Calling Palin a RINO is like calling Obama a moderate. It has no basis in fact and there is no empirical evidence to support this assertion.
Finally there are three legs of the stool: fiscal, national defense and social.
I will fully admit that Carly is a social moderate, but she is pro-life. She is not my favorite conservative but certainly is better than Campbell and Boxer and as for Devore you can attest to his credentials until you are blue in the face but after months of campaigning and only polling 13% Devore has to get out of the way. He had his chance to gain traction; apparently he has not gained enough traction.
Uh...No.
We’re not playing that game anymore.
Let Boxer return to the Senate while California falls into the abyss.
If Fiorina is there when California fails, and it will fail, then the GOP will be complicit no matter what flimsy grounds are lodged in associating blame.
When California goes under, can’t pay its bills, lays off tens of thousands, severs thousands of contracts, threatens bankruptcy over existing union contracts, all of which are for its good, we as conservatives want to be there to look the Leftist democrat socialists in the face and hold them accountable.
And when it fails, we don’t want to be looking at the likes of Fiorina who will be busy dancing to a Schwartzenegger jig of “Obama! Bail me out! Bail me out! Bail me out now!”.
So let Boxer return, she’s a good punching bag for us.
I know it’s counterintuitive, but this go-round ain’t our turn. Focus instead on Feinstein, the state legislature, county governments, the Cal Secretary of State and the Cal AG. One Senator is not going to change California.
Otherwise get behind DeVore and hope you get a conservative in. Fiorina is a disgusting pick and Palin has suffered and will suffer because of it.
Never vote for anyone other than a tested, experienced and validated conservative. Send all others to Rahm Emanuel where he can joust with their management and cause untold millions of Americans to be outraged with the moronic dems. Case in point: Obamacare has galvanized people in opposition and many have found a home in the Tea Party as a result.
Don’t try to dilute us with RINO infusion. It doesn’t work and never will.
The whole idea of true conservatism and a Christian America, which I think FR is all about, is that we should be able to reason things out – hence the idea of “forum.” "Policy" that cannot be reasonably supported seems to go against what I think FR stands for.
I agree with what Reagan once told a Senate sub-committee before he had ever run for any office: that we shouldn't ban or be afraid of opposing ideas because if what we believe is true, we should be able to win in the discussion forum of ideas.
I am running into Campbell supporters on several threads, throw that in with posters that are saying that a Boxer win is part of a wise, greater strategy, and it makes for me being amazed.
Just saw this, LOL.
And posted on the same day, too.
LOL
Good thoughts. I especially like:
“The California TP should make the federal government a pariah for decades. Anything federal should be greeted with skepticism and derision.”
I’m skeptical that the Tea Party can successfully mount its own campaigns any time soon, unless they displace the Republican party. That will be quite a feat, as the Republicans are naturally benefitting from the RATS tomfoolery. Displacing and replacing the pubbies could take a generation or never happen.
I think we need to work on taking it over from within - and everyone needs to understand that - we need to be very public about it all - just like in all these primary battles (it’s GOOD that we’re finally having them - even if we don’t have a perfect strategy we’re pursuing) - this time in earnest (as opposed to half baked efforts in the past.)
I donno. I pondered your questions as well. If the TP folds in with GOP, then they alienate independents and fed up democrats. I am thinking more 3rd party with 2nd opinion support tentacles into the 2-party system.
IMO the 2-party system has failed and is in danger of collapsing.
The registered voter breakdown is:
democrat 36%
republican 33%
independent 31%
and poll estimates of those percentages have the Tea Party breakdown at:
democrat 8%
republican 15%
independent 23%
Thinking creatively I could see a TP as a backstop party, a party with a doorman who answers the door knocks of disgruntled dems and republicans who are TP qualified. Granted that would require hierarchy and TP internal voting networks, but it’s not impossible.
The idea would be for TP members to run for GOP or dem offices, then have a door open back to TP if the stink of RINO or dem socialism gets too thick. IOW a santuary or backstop. So we would have designators:
Senator Commie (D, NY)
Rep. RINO (R, MA)
Rep. OldDem (D-TP*, GA)
Sen. Rockstar (R-TP*, WA)
and then we would have the special reserve category:
Sen. F*ktheRNC (TP*, CA)
The whole idea being we got an army of middle finger salutes for the morons in the 2-party cabal including NGO players like Goldman Sachs and Soros.
Hostage - this is all well and good for us, for TP insiders - but will it play out in the public, among those who might sympathize with the TP, but are not involved finacially or committing time to it, nor do they see us (yet) as a legit 3rd party replacing a 2nd party.
The times in US history when a new 2nd party has emerged (Whigs - Republicans) have been times of tumultuous change. We may be close or rivaling those times, but social upheaval will need to be seen as inevitable - imho, for the Republicans to be displaced by the Tea Party.
Here’s the reality:
“In the history of the United States, not a single third party has come close to winning the presidency, only 7 3rd parties have even won a single state’s electoral votes and only 5 third parties have won even 10% of the vote.”
Almost ALL conservative electoral power now resides, and will reside in the Republican party after the 11/2010 smackdown of the socialists.
From there, how do we get to the ‘Tea Party’ and do we really need to? That’s my point - history, the US Constitution, Election law, and even convention (you must poll at least 15% to participate in presidential debates) relegate against an effort to displace one of the two entrenched parties, even if we were well positioned to make such a run.
If it’s very clear to everyone that the R party is being remade by the Tea Party movement, I think we could rebrand it and not have to spend a generation at what might well be a futile task.
What Jim DeMint is doing across the nation to re-invigorate Conservatives in the Senate, is what TPers need to do throughout the Republican establishment.
The establishement is scared of the People. We are in the driver’s seat.
Apparently FR has taken an official position on this race per this ad appearing on threads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-daWQdwcw
I don’t see how the above demonstrates Carly is a conservative. This is more of the Rudy/McCain/”Electable” crowd pushing this candidate on CA and FR.
Fine, but I gave you an accurate breakdown of TP political affiliations. Given that 15 of 33 registered republicans are TP supporters, that means about half of the GOP is in the TP camp, and you can start from there.
But there are 8 of 36 dems and 23 of 31 independents that claim to support the TP movement. To ask them to change affiliation is a harder sell than to ask them to continue supporting the TP movement.
I like better the idea of the TP asterisk qualifier for party affiliation that would show that the candidate and the elected have earned the distinction. It would give those distinctive candidates and elected officeholders an edge that could bring incredible pressure on the 2-party system. It could force them to buckle and fold on certain issues.
If say an elected official had the TP* designator indicating that a material part of their constituency held TP values, that official could run to the TP for cover and buck their party leadership. The details of that scenario would have to satisfy such officials that the cover would be reliable and stable.
It would be analogous to organizing a union within both parties, the TP* could effectively go on strike from their respective D or R leadership. And TP dues could cover as campaign insurance in case of such a strike.
In any event the TP is a force, and whether it endures or fades will depend on how well the reasons for its creation are defined, expressed and passed on.
I didn’t agree with Sarah’s endorsement of Perry or McCain. Don’t have an opinion about Fiorina except for the idiots who don’t have a clue about cancer. So what about her endorsements? Let’s hear from you buckos who are critical of her; who is your candidate for prez. Bet you don’t have the juevos to say unless you have your lead suit on. Huckabee, Romney? yuk yuk. It’s belly up to the bar time boys and girls. Those of you making fun of Sarah are the REAL RINOS.
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