“You do know there are people in this world who deny the holocaust ever happen? There is eye witness accounts, and plenty of historical evidence, but yet some still deny it ever occurred.”
Yeah, I know. They deny what the overwhelming evidence says.
“This is why, and I’ll ask you again, what specific evidence do you need to see and verify?”
Anything that’s independently verifiable, I can’t be more specific than that. I’m not making the claim/assertion that god exists so I don’t know what evidence if any is in the possession of those that do.
“I would like to make a distinction here. Do you feel it necessary to believe in a theory such as say, Gravity or is that evidence just empirical and no belief is necessary?”
Empirical evidence with no faith necessary. The question of whether god exists is so incredibly important, and the implications of accepting that god exists are so significant that I would want very rigorous, testable, independently verifiable evidence that removes any (or at least most) room for doubt. otherwise I’m being asked to accept a claim that will impact on my whole life without being able to justify the validity of the claim.
Put it this way. The claim that god exists is more significant than the claim that anthropogenic global warming exists, but we reject the claim of agw on the basis that none of the evidence for it stands up to scrutiny, so how can we accept the claim that god exists without at least asking for good, solid evidence that will stand up to rigorous scrutiny?
My whole point is this - It does not matter what evidence is provided, as a Christian, you chose to ignore the "verifiable evidence" which is already there. As the holocaust deniers, your choice to "not believe" is based on emotional impracticality in the face of "overwhelming evidence." Your non belief foundation centers around the schism between self and selfless. In order to "see" or in your term "verify" God, you have to sacrifice your "self." This is the condition in which one must go through to "verify the evidence."
So, because by definition FAITH/BELIEF is required to see God, it is the one condition which must be integrated for the evidence to manifest. If you do not cross the threshold, you can not prove God. You choose to be a denier of the threshold.
Just as in science, if you ignore the conditional processes to verify the evidence you will never see the proof either as a layman, or a scientist.
I have some other questions for you which might be too personal a thing for you to answer, so I'll understand and respect your refusal if you don't answer them.
Because of all the misuse throughout history of people claiming to do certain vicious and murderous acts in God's name, did this have an impact on why you decided to deny God's existence? If not, have you ever personally sought verifiable evidence of God? If so, how?