My whole point is this - It does not matter what evidence is provided, as a Christian, you chose to ignore the "verifiable evidence" which is already there. As the holocaust deniers, your choice to "not believe" is based on emotional impracticality in the face of "overwhelming evidence." Your non belief foundation centers around the schism between self and selfless. In order to "see" or in your term "verify" God, you have to sacrifice your "self." This is the condition in which one must go through to "verify the evidence."
So, because by definition FAITH/BELIEF is required to see God, it is the one condition which must be integrated for the evidence to manifest. If you do not cross the threshold, you can not prove God. You choose to be a denier of the threshold.
Just as in science, if you ignore the conditional processes to verify the evidence you will never see the proof either as a layman, or a scientist.
I have some other questions for you which might be too personal a thing for you to answer, so I'll understand and respect your refusal if you don't answer them.
Because of all the misuse throughout history of people claiming to do certain vicious and murderous acts in God's name, did this have an impact on why you decided to deny God's existence? If not, have you ever personally sought verifiable evidence of God? If so, how?
” I’m not making the claim/assertion that god exists so I don’t know what evidence if any is in the possession of those that do.
My whole point is this - It does not matter what evidence is provided, as a Christian, you chose to ignore the “verifiable evidence” which is already there.”
What verifiable evidence are you referring to? it seems that you’ve already decided that I have rejected your evidence but you haven’t presented any yet.
“In order to “see” or in your term “verify” God, you have to sacrifice your “self.” This is the condition in which one must go through to “verify the evidence.”
Again, what evidence are you referring to?
“So, because by definition FAITH/BELIEF is required to see God, it is the one condition which must be integrated for the evidence to manifest. If you do not cross the threshold, you can not prove God. You choose to be a denier of the threshold.”
That sounds like special pleading. If the evidence stands up to scrutiny then no faith is required. No faith is required to accept the claim that the holocaust did in fact happen, the evidence is there for all to see. No faith is required to show that the theory of gravity holds true, it is demonstrable and the observations it is based on are independently verifiable. I ask no more (or less) for the claim that god exists.
“Just as in science, if you ignore the conditional processes to verify the evidence you will never see the proof either as a layman, or a scientist.”
What conditional processes and what evidence? you’ll need to be a little more specific.
“I have some other questions for you which might be too personal a thing for you to answer, so I’ll understand and respect your refusal if you don’t answer them.”
No problem, happy to discuss it.
“Because of all the misuse throughout history of people claiming to do certain vicious and murderous acts in God’s name, did this have an impact on why you decided to deny God’s existence?”
Not at all, and let me be very clear that I have never denied the existence of god. I am open to the possibility that god does in fact exist, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. However, I do can not accept such a significant claim without evidence.
“If not, have you ever personally sought verifiable evidence of God? If so, how?”
I started asking questions about god since about the age of 12 or 13. At first of my teachers (catholic school), the brothers of St.Patrick, who ran the school, and of my priest. I have never received an answer that doesn’t involve a false syllogism, circular arguments, or additional unsupported claims. Occasionally I was disciplined for even daring to ask such questions, fortunately that was a rare occurrence. Usually I was expected to just accept what was said on face value, or dismissed as just being ‘difficult’. I have never stopped asking.
If you don’t mind me asking, on what do you base your own acceptance of the claim that god exists? how have you confirmed it to be true to your satisfaction?