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Asian Shares Lower As Wall Street Slide, Greek Troubles Weigh
Market Watch ^ | 05/04/2010 | Market Watch

Posted on 05/04/2010 8:27:12 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

SINGAPORE (MarketWatch) -- Stock markets in New Zealand and Australia were sharply lower in Asian trade Wednesday, dragged by a tumble on Wall Street.

Investors were spooked by the Dow Jones Industrial Average's 2.0% fall Tuesday, its largest one-day drop since Feb. 4. The U.S. market was hurt by concerns that the euro zone would not be able to contain its debt crisis to Greece.

"People are looking around at global markets and wondering what is left for the Europeans to do to prevent this from snowballing. It feels like things are going to get worse before they get better," said Greg Gibbs, head of foreign exchange strategy with RBS in Sydney.

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1 posted on 05/04/2010 8:27:12 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"In other words, the markets are telling us that the aid package has not lessened default risk by any significant amount," Thin said. "Remember, the entire Greek aid package is predicated on getting market borrowing rates back down so that Greece can issue new debt for the private sector and stay current on its current debt load. That's not happening yet."

It would seem to me that should Greece default on its debt, then the problem is localized. As the Eurozone pitches in to help, all partners put themselves at risk. They let go of cash that could be used to solve their own upcoming debt problem.

2 posted on 05/04/2010 8:32:31 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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"It feels like things are going to get worse before they get better"

Gee, ya think? I've known this for over a year.

3 posted on 05/04/2010 8:33:00 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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GLOBAL MARKETS-Greek Woes Hit Asian Shares, Euro Down
4 posted on 05/04/2010 8:34:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: mlocher

That, and if Germany has half a brain, they’ll dump the Euro and go back to their own currency before they get dragged under with the PIIGS.


5 posted on 05/04/2010 8:34:39 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: Zeddicus
That, and if Germany has half a brain, they’ll dump the Euro and go back to their own currency before they get dragged under with the PIIGS.

Unless they signed some type of fealty oath, that would be the thing go do.

6 posted on 05/04/2010 8:37:17 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

The Australian All Ordinaries has also been suffering for the past few days from the announcement of a proposed tax on mining income. Like Canada, Australia has quite a lot of stocks tied up in that business.

Most Asian markets are down, but the Nikkei is up for some reason.


7 posted on 05/04/2010 8:39:33 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Zeddicus
Problem is that Germans don't even have half a brain...and their economy is based on exports.

PIGS??? I would suggest that the real PIGS in this are the Germans. They've been bailed out repeatedly even after having started two conflagrations.

AS for dumping the EURO - it's been an abject failure. Allowing Deutchbank and criminal investment houses like G-S to do back door deals with crony pol/pals in government is not what this “project” was supposed to be about... time for reflection and resolve: dump the EURO and damn the EU.

8 posted on 05/04/2010 8:42:45 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Zeddicus; mlocher
Looking back at economic history, starting in the late 90s the western world became complacent and overconfident about future economic growth. By 1997, the OECD nations had gone 16 years with only one brief recession and they started to take economic growth for granted. Then every stupid financial & economic decision everyone could possibly make seems to have occurred in the next ten years from 1998 to 2007: the euro currency was launched with no administrative mechanism to enforce critically important fiscal discipline within the euro zone, then we had a massive stock market bubble in 2000, followed by a real estate bubble and an incredibly huge amount of dumb real estate lending and borrowing throughout the western world. During all this craziness, a lot of complacent individuals and institutions also bought way too much sovereign debt from fiscally undisciplined countries like Greece, Portugal, and Spain. Now they're stuck with sovereign bonds that are gradually turning into junk bonds.

Meanwhile the European policy makers were thinking in terms of years while dealing with this crisis, pondering all the long-term implications of bailing out the Greeks, while the financial markets are thinking in terms of weeks to get a solution to this debt problem. The Europeans waiting way too long to bail out Greece and now the slide in bond prices and the euro is a strong established trend and has become emotional and self-sustaining at least for another couple of weeks or more. I hope people learn something from this mega-recession and get back to building strong businesses in the private sector instead of trying to build wealth through all this borrowing, lending, and speculating on stocks and real estate.

9 posted on 05/04/2010 8:53:04 PM PDT by your local physicist (Don't blame me. I wasn't fooled by anyone. I crossed my fingers and voted for McCain.)
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This review is from: The New Vichy Syndrome: Why European Intellectuals Surrender to Barbarism (Hardcover)
The thoughts presented in this book are interesting and logically-presented and this is quite apart from whether you will agree with them or not.

As another review mentioned, the focus is quite loose and really only offers thoughts around the subject matter suggested by the title and doesn’t really answer the “why?” in his subtitle conclusively. It is presented as a book but reads more like a collection of essays interspersed with shorter pieces of commentary. Admittedly, though, it is a very speculative subject and perhaps a loose response is more appropriate than a tight, definitive one. To obtain a meaningful version of the latter may be difficult. But, Dalrymple provides you a view from his educated and thoughtful perspective.

I am also not sure about the “barbarism” part, since this is not a “radicalization of Europe via changing demographics” argument like Mark Steyn’s “America Alone”. In fact, he seems to disagree with this idea. This book is more about how the mental environment in Europe is not conducive to success in an increasingly competitive global market: they reject values of their past and are afraid of formulating concrete statements of truth and fact that would allow them to construct a foundation for future progress.

One thing I like about Dalrymple’s style is that he doesn’t overdo the references. In books such as these, references can sometimes be a lazy way of making your point, but he uses a lot of thought experiments that you can often test for yourself to make a decision about whether or not he’s on the right track. He continues to use this approach here.

Finally, with Dalrymple being such an expert user of the English language, I was surprised to see a significant number of typographical errors throughout the text. His use of the language continues to be excellent, but the errors do break the spell a little bit.

It’s a concise book that will make you think.


10 posted on 05/04/2010 9:04:07 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)
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http://www.bookdepository.com/book/9781594033728/Europe-and-the-Vichy-Syndrome


11 posted on 05/04/2010 9:07:07 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)
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To: your local physicist
By 1997, the OECD nations had gone 16 years with only one brief recession and they started to take economic growth for granted. Then every stupid financial & economic decision everyone could possibly make seems to have occurred in the next ten years from 1998 to 2007

Two things that occured that led to this, both with socialist/welfare state overtures. Within our borders, the CRA was signficantly strengthened in the mid '90s. In effect, it was the gov't telling people without the means that they could afford houses. Secondly was the formation of the EU. It took fiscal/monetary responsibility away from nations and placed it at a higher, more nebulous, level, creating a "safety in numbers" mentality.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the Reagan/Thatcher policies that influenced western civilization were responsible for 16 years of economic growth.

12 posted on 05/04/2010 9:09:18 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Wait until California fecal matter his the fan...lookout below!


13 posted on 05/04/2010 9:25:53 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: mlocher
It would seem to me that should Greece default on its debt, then the problem is localized. As the Eurozone pitches in to help, all partners put themselves at risk.

Aren't they already at risk, by owning a lot of the Greek debt? Can the European banks handle a Greek default, or is it (short term) cheaper to throw bad money after worse in the hopes Greece can turn things around?

They let go of cash that could be used to solve their own upcoming debt problem.

Yeah, I suspect when they look back in a few years they'll wish they had.

14 posted on 05/04/2010 9:52:11 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (Im running for the US Senate for a simple reason, I want to win a Nobel Peace Prize - Rubio)
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