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Paper or plastic? After railing against "Nazis" in AZ, Dems propose biometric SS cards for all.
congress.org ^ | 5/3/2010 | Ambreen Ali

Posted on 05/03/2010 11:08:35 PM PDT by xlib

Democrats unveiled a 26-page proposal on immigration Thursday evening that closely follows a bipartisan draft hashed out by Sens. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) earlier this year.

Here are the main points:

* Enforce borders: The lawmakers plan to increase the number of border patrol officers and provide them with better equipment to detect fraud and smuggling. They also want to install ground sensors throughout the southern border to make it easier to detect illegal border crossing.

* Free up jails: The proposal calls for the deportation of illegal immigrants currently detained in federal and local prisons. Going forward, judges should minimize detention when possible.

* Verify workers: The Social Security Administration would begin issuing fraud-resistant social security cards that include a unique biometric identifier. Employers would have to verify work authorization using the new biometric system.

(Excerpt) Read more at congress.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 666; biometric; card; papers; socialsecurity
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So, it's somehow redolent of Himmler for Arizona to require resident aliens to carry their papers (which has been federal law for over 60 years), but no problem to require every citizen to have a biometric Social Security card to show to their employer?
1 posted on 05/03/2010 11:08:35 PM PDT by xlib
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To: xlib

Revelation 13 (New International Version) Revelation 13
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16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.

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2 posted on 05/03/2010 11:11:49 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: xlib

Haha!!

Dems hoping to get the repubs to glom on to this idiocy...so they can fabricate a truth for the lies they’ve been telling.

Transparent, underestimation of the stupidity of the conservative members of the AZ lawmakers. Not gonna werk.


3 posted on 05/03/2010 11:12:04 PM PDT by dasboot (Down: up. Up: down.)
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To: xlib
* Enforce borders

I'm skeptical, to put it mildly.

* Legalize immigrants: For the 12 million illegal immigrants already living in the United States

Amnesty. ...and it's more like 20 - 30 million.

* Legalize spouses:

And their children. ...which adds another God-only-knows how many tens of millions more.

4 posted on 05/03/2010 11:15:17 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Until they actually enforce borders nothing else can be accomplished (well except for the benefit of Democrats).

I have absolutely NO faith that anything the Congress does will actually enforce the borders. Therefore, everything else they (any Congress for that matter) promise is just bunk!


5 posted on 05/03/2010 11:18:38 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle
Therefore, everything else they promise is just bunk!

Except the promise of amnesty. THAT promise (to legalize the however many millions of illegal aliens already here) I believe.

6 posted on 05/03/2010 11:21:34 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Heh... I stand corrected!


7 posted on 05/03/2010 11:27:40 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: xlib

* Free up jails: The proposal calls for the deportation of illegal immigrants currently detained in federal and local prisons. Going forward, judges should minimize detention when possible. *

Why Cant this be done right now without new legislation.

As for the card what if you are a retired person will they be forced on them too. It makes it seems as if the ID card is for woking individuals however if it is for resons I think it is.. for tracking your every move than every person would have to get one they don’t seem to be too upfront about that. Also what exaclty does biometric mean
in this case fingerprints?


8 posted on 05/03/2010 11:28:19 PM PDT by funfan
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Well, just what is the incentive against illegal immigration (whether individual or coyote)?

Just ship them in at a nice price - but if you get caught, you will only be deported. No problem, just gather another couple thousand and we will try again.

The US will only give you a ticket back home - no cost to you. You can always get back to us, here’s my number...


9 posted on 05/03/2010 11:33:07 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: xlib

Seems like this SS card pipedream has been in the works for
a long time but now they can stuff it in the Immigration bill. Here is an archive for Social Security titled
“Report to Congress on Options for Enhancing the Social Security Card Chapter V- Enhanced Social security Prototype”
Here is a snip that is interesting:

New policy requirements

The Social Security Act has no provision requiring number holders to comply with an effort to issue a new Social Security card, much less with a specific request that number holders who already have a card prove their citizenship or noncitizen status. Before undertaking such an effort, legislation would be needed to ensure compliance by current number holders. Through the regulatory process, we would allow public comment on new policies that would be needed to implement the legislation. However, without a legislative mandate and appropriate sanctions for noncompliance, we could rely only on voluntary cooperation and it is unlikely we could accomplish the goal of issuing new Social Security cards to all living number holders.

this page also goes through in detail different card scenarios and the costs very interesting

http://www.ssa.gov/history/reports/ssnreportc5.html


10 posted on 05/03/2010 11:56:16 PM PDT by funfan
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To: funfan; xlib
* Free up jails: The proposal calls for the deportation of illegal immigrants currently detained in federal and local prisons. Going forward, judges should minimize detention when possible. *

Deport the families of illegal alien criminals.

11 posted on 05/04/2010 12:04:14 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: xlib

Not me I won’t get their National ID CARD EVER!!!!!!


12 posted on 05/04/2010 12:26:55 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: xlib

a.k.a voter id card


13 posted on 05/04/2010 12:29:48 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: xlib

SCHUMER / GRAHAM = HELL NO


14 posted on 05/04/2010 12:59:03 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: tallyhoe
Not me I won’t get their National ID CARD EVER!!!!!!

Will that still be your stance when Dear Leader's thugs come knocking at your door in February of 2013? I'm quickly believing that old Mayan calendar carver knew what he was doing.

15 posted on 05/04/2010 1:15:32 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: xlib
Yes, an amazing, and yet 'not amazing' conclusion on behalf of Lefty Dems who never miss an opportunity to brazenly steal more of our Rights; in the name of a crisis they have determinedly initiated/facilitated/generated.

These people are one of America's most dangerous 'chicken-egg' enemies. The powers that be are as aware of their worst instincts, as the useful idiots at bottom of their food chain are not. They do share, however; the same morally vacant and viral, ideological and inescapable narcissism by which they are so moved to recreate our world in their image.

16 posted on 05/04/2010 1:52:56 AM PDT by cricket (We ARE the Truman Show: http://www.transparencynow.com/truman.htm)
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To: Deagle
I have absolutely NO faith that anything the Congress does will actually enforce the borders. Therefore, everything else they (any Congress for that matter) promise is just bunk!

They promised us 'health care' (bunk). . .and we got it. The 'bunk' of course, stopped at their door.

Am wondering if 'Congress' members would be exempt from the FULL National ID card; or perhaps, they would just exempt themselves in entirety. Surely, they have no 'real' intention of being included in this population of marked citizens that they propose for the rest of us...

17 posted on 05/04/2010 2:00:00 AM PDT by cricket (We ARE the Truman Show: http://www.transparencynow.com/truman.htm)
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To: xlib; All
Not just for farm animals anymore!


18 posted on 05/04/2010 2:25:28 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into America's Twilight...)
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To: funfan

Here in Texas, when you get your driver license, you have to do a thumb print that is apparently digitally put in to the dps system. So, to me, that would mean that my dl is already a biometric form of identification. So I’m wondering how many other states do this, and why would there need to be another form of bio id?

Just wondering.....


19 posted on 05/04/2010 2:31:49 AM PDT by Grumpybutt
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To: Mr. Mojo

They are desperate to “Brown” up America before tha next election. Anyone want to bet who they will hire to secure the border?


20 posted on 05/04/2010 2:57:05 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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