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To: Windflier
Comparing our military, police, and firefighters to the type of bloated, inefficient government bureaucracies that I was talking about is little more than an emotional argument, and disingenuous on your part.

Yeah, right. I'd be embarrassed too if I'd said what you did earlier. Just for review, let's look again at your statement:

Last time I checked, the military was a US gov't bureaucracy along with the police force, fire department and the justice department. This is the trouble with making grand sweeping statements: These statements can't hold up to even the most basic scrutiny.

This is also the problem with your article. It is filled with knee-jerk conclusions, based on flagrant misunderstandings, leading to a sweeping condemnation that cannot be supported by facts.

What I was referring to are agencies of the federal government, such as FDA, ICE, BATFE, IRS, FEMA, EPA, HHS, DHS, etc.

I'm guessing you'll be less sweeping and more specific in the future. That said, I assure you the facts show that the FDA is much better than what existed prior to the FDA.

Waxman, Dingell, and the rest of this crew, are untrustworthy and should be eyed with a great deal of suspicion. However, the claims being made by their critics (Shiv Chopra & Steve Green) in this article take crazy to a whole new level that should be dismissed by conservatives.

100 posted on 05/04/2010 2:15:25 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
Last time I checked, the military was a US gov't bureaucracy along with the police force, fire department and the justice department.

I suppose that you could call the US military a gov't bureaucracy, but for the sake of this argument, it's clear that you're blurring the lines between agencies of the federal government that have a front line presence who perform valuable and much needed services for the public, and those federal agencies that are almost entirely bureaucratic in nature.

It's also clear to anyone reading here that the intent of my statements was aimed at the latter, and not the former. It's you who feel the need to split hairs here and create a debate that goes outside of the clear intent of my post.

The point is, and remains so, that most federal agencies are bloated, inefficient, wasteful, operate in an extra-constitutional manner, and return little of value to the American taxpayers.

There has been so much posted and discussed about the failures of our government institutions and agencies on this website, that it's probably redundant for me to even bring it up. It's a fact.

You want to defend the FDA, go right ahead, but I doubt you'll find many who agree with your sunny assessment of that agency in this community.

101 posted on 05/04/2010 6:53:27 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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