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Dobson: GOP misled me on Rand Paul
Politico ^ | 05/03/2010 | Josh Kraushaar

Posted on 05/03/2010 8:38:55 AM PDT by speciallybland

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To: EternalVigilance

God this is childish man. Hitler? Stalin? only two choices? I said that you have authoritarian instincts but this is ridiculous.

The race for the Kentucky Senate primary is between Trey Grayson and Rand Paul, you are actively campaigning on behalf of Trey by trying to stop his ONLY opponent.

Why do you prefer Trey Grayson over Rand Paul?


61 posted on 05/03/2010 1:11:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12
If you support Trey Grayson over Rand Paul, tell us why.

If you support Rand Paul, as you've already said you do, tell us why.

Or are you a complete hypocrite in addition to being a troll?

And again, I don't support Trey Grayson. You're lying.

62 posted on 05/03/2010 1:12:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12
Why do you prefer Trey Grayson over Rand Paul?

Since I've repeatedly addressed your blatant lie, one which is obvious to any fair-minded reader of this thread, I'll ignore it.

And ask you again: Why do you support a pro-choice for states, Libertarian, isolationist, lover of Adam Kokesh?

Do you agree with Rand Paul that the states can alienate unalienable rights, even the supreme individual right, the right to life?

Do you also endorse Kokesh?

63 posted on 05/03/2010 1:16:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance
If you support Rand Paul, as you've already said you do, tell us why. Or are you a complete hypocrite in addition to being a troll?

I already did that in posts 24, 38, 41, 47, 49, and 60, and now this one. Why do you prefer Trey Grayson?

Paul leads Grayson among pro-lifers by a 50%-32% margin. Grayson leads Paul among pro-abortion Republicans by a 42%-27% margin. (Before Dobson)

Conservatives, Christians, social conservatives, and the statewide Kentucky voting population support Rand Paul.

“Conservatives favor Paul by 51 percent to 29 percent with 16 percent undecided. Those who attend religious services regularly or occasionally favor Paul by double-digit margins. Gun owners back Paul 48 percent to 22 percent with 22 percent undecided.”

Rand Paul leads by double digits among men and women, among conservatives, pro-life voters, gun owners.

“Grayson leads today only among the 1 in 5 Republican primary voters who say they are pro-choice.

64 posted on 05/03/2010 1:26:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12

Again, you didn’t tell us why you support Rand Paul in any of those posts. You point to endorsements by politicians and polls and ephemeral references to what some people may or may not think. You don’t give us an inkling of what you think or why. Very trollish behavior, as usual.

Do you support him because of his pro-choice for states position on abortion?

Do you support him because he’s an isolationist blame-America-firster like his father?

Do you support him because of his endorsement of Adam Kokesh?


65 posted on 05/03/2010 1:40:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12
“Grayson leads today only among the 1 in 5 Republican primary voters who say they are pro-choice.

Who cares. I don't support Grayson. But you already know that, don't you, troll.

66 posted on 05/03/2010 1:42:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12

If Grayson wins the primary will you support him?


67 posted on 05/03/2010 1:43:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

Post 64 explains why I prefer Rand Paul to Trey Grayson.

It is about time that you act like a grown up and tell us why you prefer that Trey Grayson take the primary over Rand Paul.

At some point you should make an effort to address the race itself and lay off the personal stuff.

Trey is evidently the favorite of pro-choicers, and you are working to get him past Rand Paul in the primary, Why?


68 posted on 05/03/2010 1:48:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: speciallybland
Trey Grayson is not a so-called fiscal conservative either.

See how he attacks Rand Paul on the worst ponzi scheme entitlements in the country's history: Trey Grayson Out of Touch With Being a True Conservative

69 posted on 05/03/2010 2:06:04 PM PDT by Theophilus ('a dog is smarter than its tail', but if the tail were smarter, then the tail would 'wag the dog'.)
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To: TheBigIf
To promote the Paul agenda would be a National Security disaster.

I would submit to your that we have a government whose jackboot (much less finger) is on the scales of our economy. That is the real National Security disaster many times over.

I heard a Trey Grayson commercial on Rush today that attacked Rand Paul for being against Medicare and Social Security?!?! Trey Grayson Out of Touch With Being a True Conservative

70 posted on 05/03/2010 2:12:10 PM PDT by Theophilus ('a dog is smarter than its tail', but if the tail were smarter, then the tail would 'wag the dog'.)
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To: EternalVigilance
If Grayson wins the primary will you support him?

I don't support medicare or social security under any circumstances.

I absolutely hate abortion under any circumstances. I think abortion is the worst, most destructive curse our nation has ever inflicted on itself. I don't trust the Clinton supporting Grayson on abortion, but even if I did:

Medicare and Socialist Security are the enslavement of my children and our posterity for who knows how long. Grayson's recent commercials have made it clear that he supports those enslavements. How can I support him when he attacks my own children? You tell me.

71 posted on 05/03/2010 2:18:04 PM PDT by Theophilus ('a dog is smarter than its tail', but if the tail were smarter, then the tail would 'wag the dog'.)
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To: speciallybland

With all due respect, Doctor Dobson. Take responsibility for your actions. Everyone but you knew about Rand Paul. Shame for blaming someone else.


72 posted on 05/03/2010 2:30:28 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Theophilus

I think you’re being consistent with your stated beliefs. Kudoes.


73 posted on 05/03/2010 2:46:14 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12

Again, all you did was cite polls. You haven’t answered a single question about Rand Paul’s actual positions.


74 posted on 05/03/2010 2:48:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: Theophilus

Frankly though, I was asking that question of the troll, for the purpose of further illustrating his hypocrisy and inconsistency.


75 posted on 05/03/2010 2:49:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: EternalVigilance

You are the troll here, slipping, sliding, attacking, evading.

All indications are that Rand Paul is the most pro-life candidate in the election, yet you are fighting on behalf of Trey Grayson.

Why is that? Are you going to man up and answer to anything related to your campaigning against Trey Grayson’s opponent?

Why is Trey Grayson the better choice for Kentucky voters?


76 posted on 05/03/2010 3:07:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12

I must admit, it surprises me — quite happily — to see you standing up for Rand Paul (or any “Paul” for that matter) against Trey Grayson.


77 posted on 05/03/2010 3:16:32 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: EternalVigilance
Frankly though, I was asking that question of the troll, for the purpose of further illustrating his hypocrisy and inconsistency.

Sorry I got a little heated. I have never felt much personal animosity toward Trey Grayson before I heard his pro-medicare commercial on Rush today. He is running like a Democrat using mediscare to pit Kentucky's grandparents against their grandchildren. I hate that!

I consider myself not merely prolife but prolific. We live in a world where other cultures are taking over the West. We are losing the demographic fight (i.e. the will to live and care about the future) and the number one reason that I hear from people about not having children or not having more children is that they can't afford them. Why not? The vicious circles of Social Security and Medicare that's a big reason why.

If you are concerned about out National Security, think about how hard it is to get many modern American parents to allow their only child (those that have at least one) to join the military and fight in a war. Ask any recruiter, in many cases it's d@mn near impossible. Parents used to be a recruiter's ally, not anymore. If not for the recession, the G.I. Bill (associated out of control education costs) and massive bonuses, our military would be bankrupt for men.

78 posted on 05/03/2010 3:16:40 PM PDT by Theophilus ('a dog is smarter than its tail', but if the tail were smarter, then the tail would 'wag the dog'.)
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To: ansel12
Rand Paul is the most pro-life candidate in the election

Rand Paul is not pro-life in any way that really matters.

If states are allowed to alienate the most important right, the right to life, no child in America is safe. The ability to get a so-called "legal" abortion will only be determined by location, not by the law and the imperative sworn obligations of all officers of government to uphold and defend that law.

His position violates the most important founding principles of our country found in the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution, and completely ignores the clear requirements of the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments.

These are the cornerstone principles upon which our republic, our Constitution, and our liberty are premised.

The Paul position is a destructive lie, one which assures the continuation of abortion, since they have destroyed the moral, legal, constitutional and political argument against abortion.

79 posted on 05/03/2010 3:21:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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To: ansel12

Re your post #76: Quit lying about my position troll.


80 posted on 05/03/2010 3:22:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("In DC, it's about politics. In Arizona, it's about survival." -- Ralph Peters)
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