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1 posted on 04/27/2010 9:59:42 AM PDT by ianschwartz
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Well, I suppose that’s true.

She doesn’t actually say that the border is secure, does she? Just that it’s as secure (that is to say, it isn’t) as it has always been in the past?

Doofus.


28 posted on 04/27/2010 10:18:13 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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I guess all the undocumented workers that I see loiting around Home Depot every day are just a figment of my imagination.


30 posted on 04/27/2010 10:19:03 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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Mexico's Official "Guide For The Mexican Migrant"

 
 
In 1994, the Government of Mexico produced this 32-page comicbook-style "How To" guide containing information to aid Mexican citizens seeking to cross the border illegally into the United States. Though little has been said in the national media, questions have been raised regarding the Mexican government's intentions with respect to producing the book.

Below is the text of the book, along with illustrations. The translation is courtesy of INFOMUNDO.US.

INTRODUCTION, PAGES 0 - 1

Guide for the Mexican Migrant 

Dear fellow citizen:

This guide tries to provide you with some practical advice that may be useful to you in case you have made the difficult decision to seek new work opportunities outside of your own country.

The safe way of entering another country is by first obtaining your passport, which is issued by the Delegations of the Secretariat of Foreign Relations, and your visa, which you request at the Embassy or Consulate of the country to where you wish to travel.

However, we actually see many cases of Mexicans who try to cross the northern border without the necessary documentation, crossing high-risk zones that are very dangerous, especially in desert areas or rivers with strong and not always noticeable currents.

INTRODUCTION, PAGES 2 - 3

Mexican ConsulateAs you read this guide you can also learn some basic questions about legal consequences of your stay in the United States of America without appropriate immigration documents, as well as the rights you have in that country once you are there, independently of your immigration status.

 Always keep in mind that there are mechanisms for you to enter the United States of America legally.

 In any case, if you encounter problems or difficulties, remember that Mexico has 45 Consulates at its disposal in that country, whose contact information you also can find in this publication.

Identify your Consulate and go to it.

RISKS, PAGES 4 - 5

DANGERS OF CROSSING IN HIGH-RISK ZONES

Crossing the river can be very risky, especially if you cross alone and at night.

Avoid swimming with heavy clothing Thick clothing increases your weight when wet and makes it hard to swim or float.

RISKS, PAGES 6 - 7

If you cross in the desert, try to travel when the heat is not so intense.

Highways and towns are very far apart, so that it could take you several days to find roads and you will not be able to carry food or water for that long; you could even get lost.

 Drink salted waterSalted water helps you retain body fluids. Although you get more thirsty, if you drink salted water the risk of dehydration is lessened.

 Dehydration symptoms are:

 

  • Little or no perspiration
  • Dryness of eyes and mouth
  • Headache
  • Fatigue and exhaustion
  • Difficulty in walking and reasoning
  • Hallucinations and mirages

Follow roads and light poles If you get lost follow utility poles, railroad tracks or furrows.

BE CAREFUL OF ALIEN SMUGGLERS, PAGES 8 - 9

BE CAREFUL OF "POLLEROS", "COYOTES" OR "PATEROS" [Various names for alien smugglers)

Beware Human Traffickers They can deceive you by assuring you they'll cross you [smuggle you across the border] at certain times over mountains or through deserts. This is not true! They can put your life in danger leading you through rivers, irrigation canals, desert areas, along railroad tracks or freeways. This has caused the death of hundreds of people.

If you decide to use the services of "polleros", "coyotes" or "pateros" to cross the border, consider the following precautions to take:

Don't let him out of your sight; remember that he's the only one that knows the terrain and therefore is the one that can get you out.

They can put your life in danger Do not trust anyone who offers to cross you over to the "other side" and asks you to drive a vehicle or carry a package for him. Regularly those...

BE CAREFUL OF ALIEN SMUGGLERS, PAGES 10 - 11

...packages contain drugs or other prohibited substances. For that reason many people have ended up in jail.

If you transport other people you can be confused with an alien smuggler and be accused of alien smuggling yourself or even vehicle theft.

Do not entrust your children to strangers Don't hand over your minor children to strangers that offer to cross them to the United States.

DO NOT USE FALSE DOCUMENTS, PAGES 12 - 13

DO NOT USE FALSE DOCUMENTS OR DOCUMENTS OF OTHER PEOPLE, NOR DECLARE A FALSE NATIONALITY

If you try to cross with documents that are false or that belong to someone else, keep the following in mind:

The use of documents that are false or that belong to someone else is a Federal crime in the United States, for which you can be criminally prosecuted and end up in jail; the same as if you give a false name or say you are a U.S. citizen when you are not.

Do not lie to U.S. border crossing or inspection booth agents.

If you are detained IF YOU ARE DETAINED, PAGES 14 - 15

 

  • Do not resist arrest.
  • Do not assault or insult the officer.
  • Do not throw stones or other objects at the officers nor at the patrol cars, because this is considered a form of provocation.
  • If the officers feel they've been assaulted they will probably use force to detain you.
  • Raise your hands slowly for them to see you're unarmed.
  • Do not carry or hold any objects that could be construed as weapons, such as: lanterns, screwdrivers, blades, knives or stones.

IF YOU ARE DETAINED, PAGE 16 / YOUR RIGHTS, PAGE 17

If you are arrested

Don't try to runIF YOU ARE DETAINED

 

  • Don't run or try to escape.
  • Don't hide in dangerous places.
  • Don't cross freeways.

It's better for you to be detained for a few hours and be repatriated to Mexico than to get lost in the desert.

YOUR RIGHTS

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED, YOU HAVE RIGHTS!

Tell them if you are a minor Give your true name.

 If you are a minor and are accompanied by an adult, tell the authorities so they do not separate you.

YOUR RIGHTS / YOUR RIGHTS, PAGES 18 - 19

Your rights are:

 

  • To know where you are.
  • To request to speak to the nearest Mexican Consulate representative in order to receive help.
  • Do not make statement or sign anythingDo not make statements or sign documents, especially if they are in English, without the aid of a defense attorney or Mexican Government Consulate representative.
  • To receive medical attention if you are injured or in poor health.
  • To receive respectful treatment regardless of your immigration status.
  • To be transported safely.
  • To have water and food when you need it.
  • You are not obligated to disclose your immigration status when you are detained.

YOUR RIGHTS, PAGES 20 - 21

 

  • To not be hit or insulted.
  • To not be held incommunicado.

Inform the Mexican Consulate In case they take away your personal effects, request a voucher in order to claim them when you are released.

 If there is any violation of these rights, it's important for you to inform your attorney or Mexican Consulate representative that visits you or even the nearest Delegation of the Secretariat of Foreign Relations within Mexico.

Tune into the powerful AM 1570 If you wish more information and you live in Texas or in Ciudad Acuña, Coahuila, tune in to "The Powerful Station" at AM 1570.

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED / DETAINED, PAGES 22 - 23

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED / DETAINED

If you already were sentenced for some crime or you are facing criminal prosecution an a jail, you have the following rights:

 

  • To not be discriminated against by the police, the courts or prison authorities.
  • To receive visits from consular officials and family members.
  • To receive appropriate legal counsel without conditions or obstructions.

If you being criminally prosecuted and have not yet been sentenced, ask your attorney or consular representative what the "Plea Agreement" consists of.

Do not plead guilty without first consulting your attorney about the possibilities of winning your case if you go to trial.

Know the laws of the state It's important they you know the laws of the American state where you live and work, since each state's laws are different. Bear in mind the following information:

If you drink don't drive, since if you do not have papers you can be detained and deported.

If a legal resident is cited more than two times for drunk driving, he can be deported.

Do not drive without a driver's license.

Observe traffic signs and signals and use your seatbelt.

Do not drive without auto insurance nor drive an unknown vehicle.

[THINGS TO] AVOID, PAGES 24 - 25

If you're stopped for a traffic infraction Do not pick up strangers.

If you commit some traffic violation and are detained by the police, place your hands on the steering wheel and do not get out of the car until the officer requests you to do so.

Avoid calling attention to yourself, at least while you are arranging your residence papers to live in the United States.

The best formula is not to alter your routine of going between work and home. Avoid noisy parties because the neighbors can get upset and call the police, and you could be arrested.

Avoid fighting and noisy parties Avoid fighting.

If you go to a bar or night club and a fight starts, leave immediately, since in the confusion you could be arrested even if you did not do anything wrong.

Avoid domestic violence Avoid family or domestic violence. As in Mexico, it is a crime in the United States.

[THINGS TO] AVOID, PAGES 26 - 27

Domestic violence does not consist solely of hitting others but also can be threats, shouting or mistreatment.

If you are accused of domestic violence against your children, your mate or someone else who lives with toy, you could go to jail. In addition, Child Protective Services authorities could take away your children.

Do not carry firearms, bladed weapons or other dangerous objects.

Keep in mind that many Mexicans have died or are in prison because of these things.

Ask to see a search warrant If the police enter your house or apartment, do not resist, but ask to see a search warrant.

It's better to cooperate and ask to speak to the nearest Mexican Consulate.

CONSULATES, PAGES 28 - 29

The Secretariat of Foreign Relations has 45 consular representatives within the U.S and on its southern border, which are designed to help you. Remember: if you have been detained or are serving a sentence, you have the right to speak with the nearest Mexican Consulate. Always carry your "Guide to Consular Protection" with you at all times.

Get Near to the Consulate. Embrace Mexico.

It's your home, fellow countryman!

[signed by] 

 

- Secretariat of Foreign Relations

- General Administration of Protection and Consular Matters.

 

CONSULATES OF MEXICO IN THE UNITED STATES


32 posted on 04/27/2010 10:21:08 AM PDT by VU4G10
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Her answer was lawyerly and correct: The border was not secure and it STILL is not.

How did she put it...? “THE SYSTEM WORKED”.

WORST EMPLOYEE IN THE FEDERAL GOV’T. WRONG WOMAN, WRONG JOB.

She’ll get us all killed.


34 posted on 04/27/2010 10:24:12 AM PDT by gaijin
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Uhh....Jan.....THAT’S THE PROBLEM!!!
It has NEVER been secure!
And now that the threats due to that lack of security have increased, IT’S ABOUT DAMN TIME YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!


35 posted on 04/27/2010 10:25:43 AM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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Napolitano is such a fart head.


37 posted on 04/27/2010 10:27:26 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (this is a NO-BAMA zone)
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TO LEAVE HER A MESSAGE, DIAL

202.282.8495

You will hear a recording giving you an alternate number for emergency calls, then a beep for you to record your message. I give the "woman" my penny's worth, then give her my real name and phone number just to do a number on her staff (who have to listen to every message to be certain a caller is not threatening to kill skunk-hair or her boss).

Regards . . . Penny


38 posted on 04/27/2010 10:31:10 AM PDT by Penny
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Photobucket You want secure? BUILD THIS!!. (Israel) Photobucket NOT THIS!!!
39 posted on 04/27/2010 10:32:00 AM PDT by RetSignman (Tea Parties ..."We have seen the Patriots and they are us")
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She’s absolutely right. Our Southern border has never been secured. People walk across and do whatever they please, and have for decades.

She just doesn’t quite understand what she has agreed to here.


40 posted on 04/27/2010 10:50:29 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the know-nothing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr., may fleas be upon him.)
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In a way she is right..the AZ boarder is as secure as it ever was..the emphasis is on the was..it is not more secure today..it is as leaky as it was then but she just put a positive spin to her statement. She is full of s*&^.


41 posted on 04/27/2010 10:51:18 AM PDT by celtic gal
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It’s no doubt a requirement to work in this regime you must cheat on taxes & be a compulsive liar.


42 posted on 04/27/2010 10:51:21 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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43 posted on 04/27/2010 10:56:26 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (I'll just say the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is there for a reason!)
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To: ianschwartz; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...

Ping to Feds Homeland Security Napolitano getting ready to “Invade” Arizona?

Someone needs to take her Lesbos Shortness camping on some of the drug transit corridors out of Mexico into Arizona.

One rancher, a power house of a man, was recently murdered, which is why we have this law in Arizona.

Napolitano ignores the eviodence at her peril.

Rancher Murdered:( The left doesn’t care)

Illegal Immigrant Suspected in Murder of Arizona Rancher
By William La Jeunesse
- FOXNews.com

Robert Krentz was known among fellow ranchers as a good Samaritan who often helped injured illegal immigrants trying to cross the boiling desert border into Arizona. But the 58-year-old was gunned down while tending to his ranch Saturday morning, and police suspect an illegal immigrant was to blame.

Arizona rancher Robert Krentz, pictured here in 2008, was killed on his own property 35 miles outside of the border town of Douglas, Ariz.
Theft, robbery, vandalism and drug smuggling have always been part of illegal immigration in Cochise County, but murder is not something the cattle ranchers along the Arizona-Mexico border expected to happen to Robert Krentz.

Police say Krentz, whose family has been ranching in southern Arizona since 1907, was gunned down early Saturday morning by an illegal immigrant while out on his ATV tending to fences and water lines on the family’s 34,000-acre cattle ranch.

Reached by phone early Tuesday at his family’s ranch, Andy Krentz, Krentz’s oldest son, said his father was a churchgoing man who routinely went out of his way to help those in need.

“My father was a very good family man,” Krentz told FoxNews.com. “He supported his kids, supported his family. He went out of his way to help anybody we could without regarding to who they were. It didn’t matter who they were.”

Sue Krentz, Krentz’s wife, said she was “pretty overwhelmed” by her husband’s death, which coincided with her parents’ deteriorating health.

“This is icing on the cake,” Krentz said.

In 1999, Krentz and his wife told PBS’ Religion & Ethics Newsweekly that the Krentz ranch had been broken into and burglarized of $700 worth of items. Despite the crime, Krentz said he helped any illegal immigrant he could.

“And you know, if they come in and ask for water, I’ll still give them water,” he said. “I — you know, that’s just my nature.”

Locally, the 58-year-old Krentz was known as a good Samaritan who often brought water and helped injured illegal immigrants who tried to cross the desert in an area where summer temperatures often hit 120 degrees.

Krentz radioed his brother Phil between 10:00 and 10:30 a.m. Saturday morning that he had encountered an illegal immigrant, and was supposed to meet Phil on the ranch at noon, according to sheriff’s deputies. When Krentz didn’t show up, the brother called police, and a search team was soon scouring the sprawling desert 15 miles north of the border, near Douglas, Ariz.

At around 11 p.m., a state police helicopter found Krentz slumped over his ATV, the engine and lights still on. Nearby, his dog lay critically wounded, also hit by a bullet. The dog was put down Sunday morning and will be cremated, its ashes spread on the property along with Krentz’s.

Tracker dogs have now followed the tracks of the killer back into Mexico, some 15 miles south.

Police have several scenarios of what might have occurred.

One, a drug cartel scout. The Chirachua mountains in southeast Arizona are 11,000 feet tall, rugged and remote. It is a popular drug corridor and the killer may have been clearing the way for a load of drugs moving north when Krentz surprised him.

Two, the suspect belonged to a band of thieves terrorizing the remote ranches spattered around the area — an idea supported by other ranchers.

“Two days earlier a 9mm and a 9mm Glock had been stolen from a home in Portal,” said rancher Roger Barnett. “There is no way to know for sure it was the murder weapon. But the bullet the killed Rob and his dog was a 9mm.”

Three, retaliation. The day before the killing, Krentz’s brother Phil stopped a caravan of illegal immigrants carrying 280 pounds of marijuana. All eight were arrested by the border patrol and the pot was impounded.

The odd part, according to local land owners, is that the killer was apparently alone. Illegal immigrants crossing the border usually hire coyotes to help them pass and travel in groups or 5, 10, 20 or more.

“I think Rob came to help this guy, and the moment he put that telephone to his ear, he was shot,” said rancher Richard Humphries, who lives in nearby Elfrida. “It’s happened to me. They don’t want you to call the border patrol.”

Krentz had both a rifle and a revolver, neither of which he used. And both were still with the ATV when his body was found.

Unless the Mexican government finds the killer, Humphrey doubts we’ll ever discover the killer’s motivation.

The bigger question now looming is how — if at all — the rancher’s death will affect the immigration debate.

While Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer and other politicians will call once again for the deployment of the National Guard along the border, few here expect the troops to actually carry guns and provide a deterrent effect.

“What would it show? It would show we’re serious about controlling our border, which is not the message this administration wants to send,” Humphries lamented.

Advocates of reform will argue the killing is an aberration and that most illegal immigrants come to work, not commit crime.

And while the ranchers here dispute that, as they see illegal immigrants crossing their land everyday, most in Cochise County expect little more than lip service from Washington.

Rancher Roger Barnett was sued for $32 million for pointing his gun at a group of illegal immigrants. He says that immigration advocates in Washington may argue the border is secure, but that Krentz’s death puts paid to those claims.

“Obama and [Secretary of Homeland Security Janet] Napolitano are dead wrong about our border being secure,” said Barnett.

FoxNews.com’s Joshua Rhett Miller contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/30/illegal-immigrant-suspected-murder-arizona-rancher/


44 posted on 04/27/2010 12:38:17 PM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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Unfair?

Have some cheese with that whine.

However, it is likely true that the border is as secure as it has ever been, since it’s never been secured to begin with that I know of.


45 posted on 04/27/2010 12:42:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Advocates of reform will argue the killing is an aberration

How many thousands of murders by illegals does it move beyond a mere aberration?

50 posted on 04/27/2010 1:43:43 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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She, being full of crap, would be an understatement...


53 posted on 04/27/2010 5:28:26 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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54 posted on 04/27/2010 8:33:20 PM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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