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S. Korea: Cheonan's Bow Salvaged(many photos)
Yonhap News ^ | 04/24/10

Posted on 04/24/2010 8:05:46 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: BIGLOOK
You mean CODOG?
81 posted on 04/24/2010 10:19:58 PM PDT by myknowledge (B.H. Obama's just a frontman. A frontman for who? The globalist elite, stupid!)
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To: rlmorel
Yep, RB-57Fs. That "now in service" msg also included the (classified back then) service ceiling -- 80K+ feet. Now published as 82Kft. Just watched a U2 flight video; they made a big deal out of flying at 70K ft...

Curiously, when I got back home from overseas, I learned that my father-in-law had worked on the conversion at General Dynamics in Fort Worth. He said those big turbofans they stuck in those extended wings were so big you could nearly stand in the inlet...

Some of the A/C he worked on: B-24, B-36, B-47, B-58, RB-57F, FB-111 & F-16 (that I recall.)

82 posted on 04/24/2010 10:30:50 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

Thank you for an image to wrap my head around what I was seeing on the wreckage photos.


83 posted on 04/24/2010 10:34:23 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: 21twelve

My privilege! :-)


84 posted on 04/24/2010 10:40:56 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
a) How is this a serious violation of the 1953 Armistace?

b) What aspects of the US-South Korean Defense Treaty compel the United States to retaliate against North Korea and further consider this an act of war?

85 posted on 04/25/2010 12:57:50 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Just think. Big Brother planning a series of Reichstag Fire setups on the Tea Parties. As we SPEAK.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I don't know the details of the treaty.

All I know is that the ceasefire agreement has been broken so often that the legal discussion on whether it warrant retaliation could be moot.

If we go for retaliation, my hunch is that legality is fully on our side.

86 posted on 04/25/2010 1:12:34 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Though to be fair, in a threat environment that includes cheap Exocets and Silkworms armoring a DD or CG against such threats is uneconomical.

Modern naval architecture thought seems to revolve around keeping the incoming from getting near the hull, either via CIWS, RAM, or both. Which, when the enemy is pitching cheap antishipping missiles with the capability to hurt a medium aircraft carrier or wound even an Iowa-class, probably isn’t a bad idea.


87 posted on 04/25/2010 1:43:52 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Forgot to mention - most armor for anything above small arms became irrelevant the moment someone realized that a torpedo with a 1000lb warhead could sink any non-capital ship and even some capital ships, not by attacking the armor directly but by exploding some distance below the hull. Hydrostatic effects then lift the ship - and then the keel breaks.

Observe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV8MF-440xg (ignore the audio)

The torpedo is detonated *below* the hull, it doesn’t actually hit the hull at all.

Versus this torpedo type, armor is irrelevant. The hull has cracked in half before the secondary explosion occurs.


88 posted on 04/25/2010 1:58:13 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

USS Cole was destroyed - put completely out of action by a smaller bomb exploded against its side carried by a outboard-motor fishing boat.
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Wasn’t in brought back to America on a salvage ship that looks like a dry dock? This is what I remember. That the USS Cole could not return under its own propulsion.


89 posted on 04/25/2010 2:05:42 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: rlmorel

How is that sickening hero worship? It’s good that boys have someone to look up to. The problem today is they look up to rap stars and other bad examples in the popular culture.


90 posted on 04/25/2010 2:14:11 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: dennisw

LOL...I didn’t mean it to come out that way, what I meant to say is that it LOOKS like sickening hero worship to some people...

I certainly don’t feel like it is or was. I was on a roll thinking of that, and just misstated it...you are 100% correct.


91 posted on 04/25/2010 6:22:44 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: TXnMA

Great job.

Thanks for your post and ping.


92 posted on 04/25/2010 7:14:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Use your $'s as weapons! Boycott Gay Frisco, since they keep Pelosi in congress.)
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To: rlmorel

OK!!!!!

Not to mention all the idiot sports heroes boys have to look up to these days


93 posted on 04/25/2010 7:45:17 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: dennisw

Check out my Freep page on who we view as heroes...you and I are on the same page...:)


94 posted on 04/25/2010 7:48:21 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

I like your hall of heroes :)

Last week I read about a famous Navy Commander who was from Kansas or Idaho. Thousands of miles from the ocean. I always laugh when I read those stories


95 posted on 04/25/2010 7:55:17 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: dennisw

I know what you mean, I have always felt the same way. I am fairly well read on naval history, and it is chock full of men from places like Worley, ID who had never even seen a large lake before who contributed to history as part of the Navy.


96 posted on 04/25/2010 8:51:53 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: TXnMA
I learned that my father-in-law had worked on the conversion at General Dynamics in Fort Worth.

My Dad worked on B-58s at Convair, the plant with the mile-long Main Assembly building. I was 7 years old when he took me to the open house. Same place?

97 posted on 04/26/2010 11:48:49 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
If we go for retaliation, my hunch is that legality is fully on our side.

Its not our (United States) place to retaliate.

Leave that up to South Korea.

98 posted on 04/26/2010 12:01:37 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Max in Utah
"My Dad worked on B-58s at Convair, the plant with the mile-long Main Assembly building. I was 7 years old when he took me to the open house. Same place?"

I've long since lost track of all the company name changes the A/C assembly plant that shares a runway with Carswell AFB has had - but, yep, that's the place...

99 posted on 04/26/2010 3:25:19 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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