Posted on 04/23/2010 4:29:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Feeders...suckers...users...all doing untold damage to local and national economic systems. The only thing worse than that are the Muslim a$$holes protesting - and threatening our way of life, SouthPark, etc.
I'm not going to play that game, Muzzie!
Bang! click....Bang!....click.....Bang!
That is my answer to your Sh!t statements. This is America, bitch.
Despite our new, so called, president, you got a lot to learn.
And learn you will, bitch!
Your religion means nothing to me - a bunch of friggin' lunatics.
May large heaps of piss be upon Ham Head.
The governor could change the entire equation by instituting a relatively low cost solution: a bounty.
It is simplicity itself. Offer citizens say, $50 a day and $20 a head to radio report in when they observe suspected illegals in the border area. The citizens are given half a dozen rotating radio frequencies that are monitored, and a five digit daily code identifier.
Then they go out into the desert and are assigned an observation point. When they call in, they use a simple format to describe what they see. And if the suspected illegals are detained, and shown to be illegal, then the observer gets credited an automatic amount to their account.
Even better, observers can work as a group, with some members providing support and others spotting, and they get paid as a group.
There would likely be some requirements, like observers having at least two people on an OP, that one or both be armed, and that they carry or have available to them suitable water, and be certified for desert survival.
But right now, with high unemployment, $50 a day and $20 a head sounds like very good money, especially if you get a high traffic area, but costs just a fraction of the amount a National Guardsman or a uniformed officer costs.
As needed, I could even imagine erecting some armored observation towers, somewhat like the military use in Iraq and Afghanistan, over ground that is more flat. They have a very good field of observation.
I meant the feds are felons as far as I’m concerned.
Very strong alternative ... thanks. Bounty hunters without all the risk and legal integuments.
You make a good point regarding where to draw the line, but that really is the issue isn't it?
In reality - no line is chaos or anarchy. With no level of identification no contractual obligation or legal responsibilities can be effectively enforced or for that matter expected. Should the title to my car become the title to your car because you say you are me? How to resolve the issue?
It isn't usually the existence of a line that creates a problem - it's how certain people or groups use that line to manipulate or control that is.
Where to draw the line?
That is a very good question. Even with the current ID requirements, there are an enormous number of American citizens who have no ID, work in the underground, but not illegal as such, economy, and sometimes, when they have to have ID, they have a heck of a time getting it.
If they had ever been arrested, they used to be able to use the police verification of their ID as ID, to get another ID. But the police do so much of that for people who need to be bonded, for example, that most police now charge a hefty fee for the privilege.
As a very strange aside, in Florida, so many drivers (about 500,000) did not have drivers licenses that for a time the State police decided it was not worth detaining them, by itself. They noted that a license did not a good driver make, and it was far more important to get the bad drivers of any kind off the road.
Since the amount of training actually needed to drive is minimal, then what is the purpose of a drivers’ license? For most people, it is just a handy ID card. But that alone should not justify it. States issue just plain ID cards as well. It is far more important that a vehicle is insured than that it is licensed.
At least one state is now checking a thumbprint at all routine traffic stops. In several cities in the US and Canada right now, there are sensors hooked up to police cars that can read and check out by radio some 6,000 car license plates a day, looking for hot cars or owners with outstanding warrants.
The bottom line is that there will always be lots of anonymous people in society, no matter what the government does, and these people want to remain anonymous. Which to a great extent, should be their right.
As far as the Mexican illegal alien problem goes, in the mid to long term it is solving itself. This is because Mexico has reached an economic plateau, at which birthrate drops to 2.2 or 2.3 per family. This means that in maybe just a decade illegal immigration is going to fade away on its own.
They do if they drop some little anchors. Plus they take full advantage of other social programs like WIC, free education...the list goes on. We absolutely need to end birthright citizenship, its bankrupting our country.
I am getting the feeling that those who are applauding this law are the same Freepers who thought all the Bush power grabs were a great idea as long as a Pubbie was in the House and now think the Federal government has too many powers. Obama has gotten NO new powers; only what he inherited from Bush/Cheney. This law is a slippery slope for the thought police. If you look like a bad guy you can get arrested and questioned. I appreciate the goal, but highly question the means. Too much concentrated power is a bad, bad thing. Much worse than illegal immigrants can ever do. Myopia of emotion will be the death of the real conservative movement
I understand what you’re saying, but when a mushroom cloud appears over one of our major cities and it turns out that the perpetrators snuck in through the border, Arizona’s new law will look quaint in comparison to what the public will demand from their representatives.
So your are saying that by giving the police the right to question hispanic looking people they are going to find a suitcase nuke? Come on. Al Queda might be trying to build a dirty bomb but that is a far way from minuturization technology. I think you are mixing priorities. I agree with the need to secure the borders, but stopping immigrants and stopping terrorists is a much different profile.
Last time I checked, Mexicans were not high on the list of Al Queda opperatives. They mostly just want jobs.
An argument occurred between two Hispanics, one who is fourth generation American and is sick of the illegals, and his opponent, whose parents came from Mexico. I used the discussion to point out the varying points of view on assimilation.
The prison environment at the non-violent offender yards is very much like the military. People hold the door for one another, show constant courtesy, and use the terms, “sir” and “Mr.” throughout conversation.
We recently had a riot, and a huge division erupted between the paises, or illegals, and the Mexican-Americans. You would be amazed at how these groups don't get along.
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