U.S. Says Florida Can't Opt Out of Federal Healthcare

HEALTH NEWS FLORIDA ^ | 4/23/2010 | Carol Gentry and Jim Saunders

[left that other site]

THIS Floridian might just!

[Tzimisce]

...didn’t they assure us that we could opt out of the plan if we wanted?

[Genoa]

My use of the term “silliness” might have been a bit strong. I fully sympathize with most of the philosophical points being made by the majority of posters on this thread. But concerning strategy, I just think that states enacting nullification statutes (full or partial) will just about guarantee negative judgments in the federal courts.

[topfile]

Then there’s that pesky piece of paper that says in Amendment #10

Indeed, but since Obama sees the Constitution as a living document the 10th amendment is now part of an old revision for him.

[RobbyS]

The Supremacy Clause is operative only in those areas where the central government is authorized to act. To argue this way is to beg the question of the constitutionality of the health act.

[RobbyS]

Push come to shove, the States don’t have to comply with Federal Court orders, unless Obama decides to send in the Airborne.

[imjimbo]

Wonder what kind of tune they’ll sing when the Supremes toss this monstrosity out in repayment for the snub at the ‘state of the Union’ debacle-!

[blam]

"Only the union goons can opt out!"

Don't forget, congress (I mean our royalty) exempted themselves too.

[counterpunch]

With 3/5ths of the States already having passed constitutional amendments blocking 0bamacare, we’re almost to the 3/4ths mark needed for states to ratify an amendment to the US Constitution.

I believe the best way to defeat 0bamacare in its entirety is for a Constitutional amendment specifically declaring every aspect of the law as unconstitutional.

[CRBDeuce]

There are a lot of cases coming before the federal courts.

Yes, this regime is proving to be a lawyer welfare plan on its own devices...gummit on gummit lawsuits will be entertainment for the masses for decades, in the vein of the OJ trials! What better waste of taxpayer money!

[CRBDeuce]

. The entitlement-minded freeloaders will riot and break things

. The entitlement-minded class warfare freeloaders will riot and break things ... and I completely agree w/your conclusion, as well.,,The end result will be Either the death of liberalism in this country....or the death of America as a free nation.

[CRBDeuce]

when the Supremes toss this monstrosity out in repayment for the snub at the ‘state of the Union’ debacle...most of us will have a newfound respect for the Supreme Court!

[SeattleBruce]

“But concerning strategy, I just think that states enacting nullification statutes (full or partial) will just about guarantee negative judgments in the federal courts.”

Maybe after that we have a Constitutional Convention or a drive to secession. They cannot trample on the will of the people forever. But first

11/2010
11/2012

[SeattleBruce]

“The end result will be Either the death of liberalism in this country....or the death of America as a free nation.”

I agree, they have pushed as far as they can push in this socialistic/totalitarian direction.

[mwilli20]

this is states vs feds and the courts are going to decide.

What a relief! It's with the courts. We'll be alright then!

[Bigun]

“In the next place, the state governments are, by the very theory of the constitution, essential constituent parts of the general government. They can exist without the latter, but the latter cannot exist without them.”

Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

[Bigun]

Another not unimportant consideration is, that the powers of the general government will be, and indeed must be, principally employed upon external objects, such as war, peace, negotiations with foreign powers, and foreign commerce. In its internal operations it can touch but few objects, except to introduce regulations beneficial to the commerce, intercourse, and other relations, between the states, and to lay taxes for the common good. The powers of the states, on the other hand, extend to all objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, and liberties, and property of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the state.

Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

[Jacquerie]

The sad fact is that nations eventually get the government they deserve. As a people, we have only the most tenuous of threads holding us to the traditions of our founding and Constitution. Natural, unalienable rights were once understood and nearly revered by all Americans. Today, the philosophical basis of our founding is but a quaint notion at best, and at worst is ridiculed as an evil foisted on rubes by self serving, rich, white men.

[tutstar]

a ping to some thinkers re my thought on opting out of ZEROcare.

I don’t recall if we are allowed to opt out?

I have been thinking though (don’t be so shocked 8^) )
Since the Amish, Muslims, and Christian Scientists can opt out I think that Christians should be able to opt out also but for a different reason.

We all know that there are death panels, whatever they have decided to call them. Christians for the most part believe that God gives and knows the days we have here on earth. IOW God decides when its our time to die. Why should we pay into a system that will deny treatment to some based on the govt’s reason of futility of treatment, , disability etc? That is a violation of my religious beliefs.

Any thoughts?

[EternalVigilance]

There are some real smart folks examining that very question. And a good question it is.

And it isn’t just death panels. It’s the funding of the killing of unborn children as well.