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U.S. Says Florida Can't Opt Out of Federal Healthcare
HEALTH NEWS FLORIDA ^ | 4/23/2010 | Carol Gentry and Jim Saunders

Posted on 04/23/2010 11:58:03 AM PDT by tutstar

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To: tutstar
"This is about an agenda to transform our beloved America into a socialist state."

This is why we cannot allow the misconception that the federal supreme court is the final say on constitutionality to continue. This is a battle for all the marbles, the states must get involved to protect the citizens whether the federal government (judicial) too likes it or not.

"We the people" and the states are on deck.
161 posted on 04/23/2010 2:43:50 PM PDT by Pantera
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To: MrB

GREAT tagline!!


162 posted on 04/23/2010 2:48:29 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: Joe Brower

SECESSION. and impeach Charlie Crist at the same time.


163 posted on 04/23/2010 2:53:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BALLOON BOY: "WHO THE HELL IS WOLF? ")
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To: ohioWfan
Ummmmmmmmmmmm.......that's not really what that passage says, new.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm....... an exceptional woman here and there (prophets, no less) doesn't make the "sweeping generalization" any less true.

The passage clearly implies that being oppressed by children and ruled by women is not a good position to be in, at least in general. And, curiously, both conditions are on the increase in the good ol' USA.

164 posted on 04/23/2010 2:54:38 PM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tutstar

It’s a battle allright. Will we be forced to go commie or stay a freedom loving republic? Obama’s not a socialist. He’s a communist.


165 posted on 04/23/2010 2:55:06 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BALLOON BOY: "WHO THE HELL IS WOLF? ")
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To: Genoa

Yes, that is what we want.

You don’t seem to get it too well, so let me enlighten you just a bit. The Constitution is/was a CONTRACT between We, the People, and the Several States, which authorizes the creation of a federal Government to do certain things in our names and on our behalf. FedGov is a CREATION of the States and is most assuredly NOT sovereign over them. ONLY in certain areas where specific authority has been granted to FedGov, such as handling foreign affairs or coining money, does the “Supremacy” clause apply. IN ALL OTHER MATTERS, either the Several States or We, the People, reign supreme. Which includes slapping down FedGov when needed OR seceding from the Union, if we feel the necessity. In the present instance, FedGov has pretty much VOIDED its contract with us by its own dastardly deeds.


166 posted on 04/23/2010 3:02:20 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People has no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK)
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To: MrB
MrB said: "It would be better if they just let the states go that wanted to not be a part of this whole load of collectivist crap,..."

Like all socialist schemes, it depends entirely on force in order to have effect.

The grand experiment in communism, the Soviet Union, was forced to erect an "Iron Curtain" to prevent the productive people among them from fleeing the tyranny.

One test of the freedom permitted in a nation is to examine its borders to see which way the guns point. If the guns point inward to challenge the people's ability to flee, then it is socialism.

Which states, if any, would opt out of "National Healthcare"? Those whose citizens were most inclined to provide for themselves. Which states would not opt out? Those whose citizens were most inclined to let the government solve their problems.

But like all socialist schemes, it is the productive who must pay and cannot be allowed to "opt out". Without the ability to force states to participate, the federal government will never be able to supply a fraction of what has been promised.

167 posted on 04/23/2010 3:06:01 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: tutstar

“I joined the High School debate team for about a week once. I discovered that Oh yea, F**K you didn’t win the debate!”

Ron White


168 posted on 04/23/2010 3:12:19 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Edgerunner; HKMk23; dcwusmc; All

My point is this. I do understand federalism and the constitutional limits on the federal government. Here’s my point: Challenges to federal action need to be addressed at the federal level. Addressing them by unilateral action at the state level is ultimately disruptive to federalism and requires either capitulation by the federal government or secession and disunion. Do you see the federal government capitulating? I don’t. The alternative is disunion (and not without bloodshed). We need to change the federal government. Just Vote Them Out. Stop this silliness about states passing laws to negate or restrict the implementation of a federal law.


169 posted on 04/23/2010 3:15:37 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: newgeezer
1 Thessalonians 5:3

For when they say, "peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.

I believe our own federal government is offering us "peace and safety", in health care and unemployment insurance and protection from predatory lenders and unscrupulous wall street execs ....

170 posted on 04/23/2010 3:19:14 PM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord grant our troops protection and endurance.)
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To: Cheerio; DeusExMachina05

If the courts side against the CONSTITUTION and rule for a clearly UNCONSTITUTIONAL HEALTH CARE SCAM, then WE THE PEOPLE will have to either submit to tyranny or WE THE PEOPLE need to reinstate the CONSTITUTION.

That seems pretty simple, doesn’t it?


171 posted on 04/23/2010 3:22:06 PM PDT by politicianslie (Lying got Obama elected, they don't care what you think, shut up and pay your taxes)
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To: Genoa

This nation was BORN in blood, the blood of Patriots and Tyrants and the servants of tyrants. If it takes blood to refresh the Freedoms God has given us, then so be it. If you have nothing to STAND for, you’ll FALL for anything, and if you’ve no principles worth DYING for, nothing for which you are willing to draw a line in the sand and say, “This is AS FAR AS YOU GO,” then you are a morally deficient and depraved excuse for a human being. Why do you think the Founders ensured that a guarantee of our God-given right to self defense was specifically included as an area NO government was allowed to trespass into? It WAS NOT so we could go shoot Bambi for dinner.


172 posted on 04/23/2010 3:26:00 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People has no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

Let’s see what happens in November.


173 posted on 04/23/2010 3:30:33 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: dcwusmc

And I might add: There are a lot of cases coming before the federal courts.


174 posted on 04/23/2010 3:32:36 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: djf
14th amendment rears its ugly head again.

No, it's NOT the 14th Amendment. It's the New Deal Commerce Clause - the darling of Drug Warriors and Nanny Staters.

175 posted on 04/23/2010 3:34:44 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: tutstar

Now, we’ll have a Constitutional crisis! 10th Amendment vs the feds. I’m betting on the 10th!


176 posted on 04/23/2010 3:38:07 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Genoa; stainlessbanner
"If a state were free to nullify federal laws within its borders, or, by logical extension, to secede from the union altogether, that would pretty much spell the end of federalism in favor of a loose, and not very durable, confederation of states. Is that really what we want?"

30 states seem to think so, these days.

"A lot of blood was shed 1861-65 to determine whether this would be the choice. The outcome seems to have been that federal problems need to be resolved at the federal level."

Actually, more pragmatically, the outcome seems to have been that any effect the 10th amendment might have originally had has been entirely superseded by whoever has the best ability to force their viewpoint on the group that differs. That means that, very likely, even though 3/5ths of the states may have legislatively disagreed, it doesn't make any real difference to a "federal" government gone wild.

177 posted on 04/23/2010 3:40:17 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (When Republicans don't vote conservative, conservatives don't vote Republican.)
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To: LibertarianInExile; stainlessbanner

The Constitution contains mechanisms (a free press, elections, and the federal courts) to address the situation we’re in. Let’s make the best possible use of them.


178 posted on 04/23/2010 3:44:43 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: LibertarianInExile; stainlessbanner

Not just a free press, but the whole Bill of Rights.


179 posted on 04/23/2010 3:49:56 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: allmendream
Someone correct me if I am wrong here, but those 4 million uninsured Floridians will NOT be covered when the ACA takes effect in 2014; they will be REQUIRED to PURCHASE coverage. Mandating that everyone have something under penalty of the law is NOT the same as providing it for them.br>

Welcome to the wonderful world of Zero's "long con".

From what I understand (if it is even understandable), we, (people who work to make a living so they will not be a parasite on society) will be immediately taxed for this crap, but the so called coverage will not be available until 2014. Of course "O" believes he will be a one term president, so he will not be in office when it is time to pay up. Bet ya the tax $$ ain't gonna be there, or for sure, will not enough to pay for O's "Dizzy-land fantasy ride"
180 posted on 04/23/2010 3:50:30 PM PDT by mstar
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