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To: OldDeckHand

So unless a person was right there watching the Factcheck people C&P the seal on the forged COLB they don’t have to do a darn thing?

Wow. Just wow.

I asked why they went looking up the chain of command regarding Abu Ghraib. Clearly the only link in that chain that mattered was the one directly above the people who took those photos.

But ya know what? According to what you’ve just said, the only people who had any responsibility to do anything about Abu Ghraib were the people who did the actions, since they were the only people who had first-hand knowledge. And the only orders that mattered were the immediate superiors of the people who did the actions.

So - again - why did anybody look up the chain of command?

Why was Wuterich’s immediate superior put in trouble because he didn’t investigate the Haditha allegations (in the way Time Magazine thought he should have)? He didn’t have direct knowledge so he had no legal responsibility for anything. And he wasn’t the immediate superior of the guys who did the shooting so anything he did was irrelevant. Right? That’s what I hear you saying.


347 posted on 04/25/2010 6:11:36 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
'Why was Wuterich’s immediate superior put in trouble because he didn’t investigate the Haditha allegations (in the way Time Magazine thought he should have)? He didn’t have direct knowledge so he had no legal responsibility for anything. And he wasn’t the immediate superior of the guys who did the shooting so anything he did was irrelevant. Right? That’s what I hear you saying."

Look, I don't have the time to give you a law school education, or explain the peculiarities of military law. I'll put this as plainly as I can...

Barack Obama's alleged crimes, fraud or ineligibility have no material relevance to Lakin's guilt or innocence with respect to the crimes he's alleged to have committed. So, while someone might be keenly interested to hear what Lakin has to say, or what evidence he may offer about Barack Obama, that someone isn't the military judge presiding over Lakin's court-martial.

I think I've already explained the distinction between Haditha & Abu Grahib and Lakin. The government isn't alleging a conspiracy in Lakin's case, the same isn't true for the first two examples.

As a matter of military law, Lakin's motivation for missing movement is plainly and wholly irrelevant to his guilt or innocence, this is why whatever Lakin believes about Obama, won't matter to the military judge.

349 posted on 04/25/2010 6:18:37 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: butterdezillion
“I asked why they went looking up the chain of command regarding Abu Ghraib. Clearly the only link in that chain that mattered was the one directly above the people who took those photos.

But ya know what? According to what you’ve just said, the only people who had any responsibility to do anything about Abu Ghraib were the people who did the actions, since they were the only people who had first-hand knowledge. And the only orders that mattered were the immediate superiors of the people who did the actions.

So - again - why did anybody look up the chain of command?

Why was Wuterich’s immediate superior put in trouble because he didn’t investigate the Haditha allegations (in the way Time Magazine thought he should have)? He didn’t have direct knowledge so he had no legal responsibility for anything. And he wasn’t the immediate superior of the guys who did the shooting so anything he did was irrelevant. Right? That’s what I hear you saying.”

Once a credible charge of actual illegal behavior has been made, the investigation is supposed to determine who is culpable. In the simplest example, if an unlawful order can be documented to have been transmitted down the line, culpability extends to the top. I think the confusion you are having may be that you earnestly believe Obama is an illegitimate CIC and that he has knowingly perpetrated fraud on a grand scale. But what you must recognize is believing something and turning that into a credible charge for investigation are two separate things. The latter has not happened, so the former is not legally relevant.

352 posted on 04/25/2010 6:21:48 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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