Dick Morris: Bill Clinton Personally Orchestrated the 1993 Waco, Texas Tragedy

Canada Free Press ^ | Tuesday, April 20, 2010 | Fred Dardick

[FredDardick]

It looks like somebody is going to have to update the Waco Siege page on Wikipedia. Apparently the whitewashed history that former President Bill Clinton would like us to believe regarding the 1993 federal assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, is missing important details regarding his own personal involvement.

In response to Bill Clinton’s highly publicized linking of the Tea Party movement to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing in an op-ed piece for the New York Times, former Clinton adviser Dick Morris disclosed on Monday that it was Clinton himself, and not Attorney General Janet Reno, as Americans have been led to believe for the past 17 years, who called the shots during the 1993 botched invasion that led to the death of seventy-six people.

[Larry Lucido]

“Cult expert” Rick Ross had his hands in this up to his elbows.

And yet many religionists on FR cite him regarding any religion they don’t like.

[pallis]

Waco was intended as a PR move to demonstrate the threat of vast rightwing, religious clingers, part of the left’s fascist scheme to clamp down on liberty and political opposition. Waco backfired. The OKC bombing was a further development of Clinton’s fear mongering to usurp freedom.

[TigersEye]

... it’s like blaming GWB for 9/11 when those terrorists were training for five years under Clinton.

That is an agreement then that the ATF was what it was at the time as it existed under GHWB's watch.

[IMR 4350]

The illegal shotgun, your thinking Randy Weaver.
IIRC a mailman tipped of the ATF to Koresh.
Apparently a packeg mailed to the Davidians broke open and had some empty, practice, grenades in it. The Davidians were selling them at gun shows. It’s not illegal. People were also complaining about all the gunfire coming from the compound. Some had reported hearing full auto fire.

[meadsjn]

W's father was President during the Ruby Ridge incident. While that makes him ultimately responsible for what happened, I haven't seen any evidence that he CAUSED it.

I don't think Bill Clinton CAUSED WACO to occur.

When a naval ship runs aground or collides with another vessel, even with no casualties of life, the Captain is responsible, and usually loses his command, even if a subordinate officer was running the bridge and the Captain was asleep. The subordinate officers would also face investigations and possible punishment.

At Ruby Ridge in 1992, and Waco in 1993, two presidents presided over the premeditated and very intentional murders of American citizens by federal agents within their chain of command. Whether they "caused" the crimes is questionable; there is absolutely no doubt that both GHWB and Clinton "allowed" the crimes to occur, as both events were highly public before the majority of murders took place.

Further aggravating the crimes was the subsequent cover-ups and protection of government employees, agents, appointees, and elected officials.

[goat granny]

If I remember correctly, the Fed's wouldn't let the local sheriff be there, he was on good terms with Korash and said he could get the supeona served without a problem...the Feds told him to go take a hike and he was pissed at the way it was handled also....

The rumor that they were molesting the kids was investigated by the local people and it was unfounded...

So the Feds burned them to death to save them from a false rumor, and if I remember someone had a recording of the lead guy heading the operation use the term. "Its showtime guys". Such brave men there are in Federal Law enforcement...also sticking a large automatic gun in a childs face so he could be sent back to cuba.....

And Washington cannot figure out why the citizens don't trust the government....Dense as a box of rocks..

[TigersEye]

Yep, didn’t bubba claim that he first found about the Waco assault in the newspapers?

Regarding the initial assualt by ATF he probably did. What President is aware of the day-to-day ops of the ATF?

[gunnyg]

Patriot Hit List Published...
http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/southern-poverty-law-center-publishes-patriot-hit-list-by-pastor-chuck-baldwin/#more-16016

[gunnyg]

Patriot Hit List Published...
http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/southern-poverty-law-center-publishes-patriot-hit-list-by-pastor-chuck-baldwin/#more-16016

[FReepaholic]

Activities of Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Toward the Branch Davidians: House of Representatives report

f. findings concerning the atf investigation

1. The ATF's investigation of the Branch Davidians was grossly incompetent. It lacked the minimum professionalism expected of a Federal law enforcement agency. Among the failures of the investigation were:
   • The failure to accept Koresh's offer to inspect the firearms held at the Branch Davidian residence. It is unclear why the ATF did not accept the offer to conduct a compliance inspection of Koresh's firearms. What is clear is that the agents' refusal of Koresh's invitation was the first of a series of instances in which the ATF rejected opportunities to proceed in a non-confrontational manner. The agents' decision to decline Koresh's offer was a serious mistake.
   • The failure to recognize obvious breaches of surveillance security. Some of these breaches were so serious and obvious that they should have been recognized by the ATF agents and commanders involved, and should have become the basis for modifying the nature of the surveillance.
   • The failure to analyze intelligence gathered during the undercover operation, including more than 900 photographs of activities around the Branch Davidian residence. These photographs could have led to the development of critical intelligence regarding the habits and movements of the Davidians, and Koresh in particular.
   • The premature termination of the undercover operation. The operation's failure to develop useful intelligence after 8 days of continuous surveillance should not have led to the termination of the surveillance, but rather to its prolongation. Given the potential for danger to agents and those within the residence, and the dearth of intelligence, the decision to end around-the-clock surveillance was seriously flawed.
2. While the ATF had probable cause to obtain the arrest warrant for David Koresh and the search warrant for the Branch Davidian residence, the affidavit filed in support of the warrants contained numerous false statements. The ATF agents responsible for preparing the affidavits knew or should have known that many of the statements were false.
3. David Koresh could have been arrested outside the Davidian compound. The ATF deliberately chose not to arrest Koresh outside the Davidian residence and instead determined to use a dynamic entry approach. In making this decision ATF agents exercised extremely poor judgment, made erroneous assumptions, and ignored the perils of this course of action which they should have foreseen.

[arthurus]

I think the “blaming” of Clinton is simply a comparison with the Left blaming the expression of dissident opinion for OKC and every other act of violence that happens in the country. With Clinton-OKC the link is not so indirect, though. McV stated that was the case. The reality is more like he used it for a handy justification. The Left is blaming Rush, Hannity and Joe Blow who doesn’t like the government minutely ordering his life, for every act of violence that has happened in the past or the Left imagines might happen in the future even though no conservative has expressed or implied such a ldesire.

[Waco]

I’ve never known of a woman that would put up with a husband that acted as Klinton has but, I’ve noted how many will kiss his axx and lie for him. And I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if he were convicted and jailed over Waco these same women would go on about what a ‘’great’’ prez. was. (Commence pukeing at this time.)

[FTJM]

The feds had an agenda, Wesley Clark planned the operation for crying out loud. He’s the guy who wanted a huge ground invasion of Kosovo.

[FReepaholic]

...Are you suggesting that "churches" be excluded from search warrants?...

I'm suggesting that churches be excluded from this:

[OldDeckHand]

"The rumor that they were molesting the kids was investigated by the local people and it was unfounded..."

Absolutely incorrect. In fact, the local authorities that were investigating believed that many of the allegations were indeed true. But, Koresh and his lieutenants kept the investigators from speaking directly to the children, which impaired the investigation.

After the raid, DNA samples were obtained from some of the children that proved conclusively that Koresh himself had molested these young girls (10-14), and that some had given birth to his children - I believe it was around 12 children. Koresh was a practicing pedophile. Of that, there can be no debate.

[TigersEye]

Koresh did talk to ATF agents. They even shot guns together.

[OldDeckHand]

"I'm suggesting that churches be excluded from this:"

You understand that happened after Koresh and his followers opened up on federal agents wounded several and killing four, right?

I suppose you would have a problem if the federal government escalated force on a Mosque, if that Mosque had violently repelled the service of a search warrant killing federal agents in the process? After such an event, what do you recommend the feds do? Should they say say, "ok, never mind - continue about your business".?

[goat granny]

I watched the whole thing go down on live TV. I had heard there was no molestation...So your saying that they went in and got DNA from the burned beyond recognition children...Never heard that one before..I would need more than just your say so to believe that...It doesn’t jive with what I heard...Social services gave the compound and the children vindication from that rumor...Janet Reno was the fanatic that said there was molestation....

[TigersEye]

And if the Holder-Danforth investigation was a cover-up...??

One of the most disgusting things you will ever see a Senator do is Schmucky Schumer's interrogation of the Waco survivors. It is somewhere in the film Waco: Rules of Engagement. It is online broken into segments and I don't know which one it's in.

[TigersEye]

The feds had a properly executed search warrant for the compound.

Telling lies fabricated from whole cloth to a judge is a "properly executed warrant?"