Posted on 04/19/2010 6:06:14 PM PDT by Sybeck1
September 6, 1999
WASHINGTON--A former government officer has told investigators that members of the secret Army unit Delta Force said they participated in a shoot-out during the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
The witness, according to congressional sources, has already named names; and will soon offer his account under oath!
The development caused panic and confusion at the top levels of the Justice Department and the FBI over the holiday weekend, leaving one top official scrambling for details.
FBI Director Freeh has demanded a full briefing, one agency source divulged late Monday.
Developing...
Meanwhile, congressional investigators are growing convinced that infrared film taken by an FBI surveillance aircraft at 9,000 feet on the final day of the Waco standoff does appear to show U.S. armed forces firing into the church compound.
"We are looking at the footage frame-by-frame... most of us have grown convinced that it does show snipers unloading from the rear of a tank," an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee told the DRUDGE REPORT.
Former FBI agent Richard Schwein, a supervisor at Waco, said charges of government gunfire were "absolutely false."
"False, absolutely false," he said on FOX NEWS SUNDAY. "No FBI agent fired any rounds from their weapons at Waco. There were no Delta Forces or special operations soldiers in an operational capacity at Waco." "And everyone on our side, and the FBI's side, were in armored vehicles, so I don't know how you'd have films of anybody firing into the back of the building. No one was on foot, because we had no body armor that would stop the rounds they were firing."
WAIVER WONDER
Use of active military personnel against civilians without presidential decree is a violation of federal law.
Late last month White House spokesman Joe Lockhart first told reporters that he had no information on the waiver issue.
[August 26, 1999; Thursday]
Q Joe, why was the Army's Delta Force present on the scene the day that Waco burned?
MR. LOCKHART: I would refer you to the Justice Department. I don't have information on the Delta Force one way or the other.
Q The reason I asked is because since the law prohibits the military being used against civilians, I wondered whether the White House either, A, requested it or, B, President Clinton signed a waiver for it.
MR. LOCKHART: I don't have any information on that. Again, I'd refer you to Justice. I don't have any independent information on their role, if any.
The next day, when asked again about any possible waiver, Lockhart offered more details.
[August 27, 1999; Friday]
Q What did the White House know about the potential operational involvement of Delta Force in the Waco siege?
MR. LOCKHART: I think that's an issue that was dealt with at the time. And as we said yesterday, the president was not asked to sign a waiver, nor were we aware of any activity that would have required a waiver. But, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, Lockhart may still not have the full story.
One witness has told congressional investigators that in April of 1993, in response to a press inquiry, a White House spokesman stated privately that a "waiver is on the president's desk that would have authorized military intervention.
A development that will cause battle during fresh rounds of congressional hearings.
FILED BY MATT DRUDGE
This Information Is From The Drudge Report
If you think Waco had anything at all to do with gun rights then you don’t know diddly squat about the story. Take your defense of murdering thugs somewhere else. (spit)
http://www.eclectica.org/v2n6/barrett_justice.html
And Justice for Some
Part 1: Disposable People
by Devin Barrett
My partner gasped as machine-gun fire flickered on our television screen. We were viewing the Academy Award nominated documentary, “Waco, the Rules of Engagement,”1 called “one of the most disturbing films of our time” by the San Francisco Chronicle. Not our normal Saturday night fare, I had recently received a package of documents; copies of reviews of the film and newspaper articles on behalf of federal prisoner Paul Fatta, a Branch Davidian. Fatta turned himself in on the Today Show following the fire that killed most of the other Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas in April 1993. I was interested in his story: why the Today show? Why at all? What part had he in the Waco incident?
Paul’s case
Serving 15 years on a conviction that calls for a 1-3 year maximum sentence, Fatta was found guilty of possessing a firearm during the commission of a violent crime. The confusion sets in when understood that Fatta was actually 90 miles away from the crime scene on a business trip, completely oblivious to the turn his life was about to take.
How is it that Fatta has been imprisoned 5 years already for a crime it is argued he did not commit? Under a broad interpretation of the Pinkerton principle, a defendant may be found guilty of crimes he or she did not personally commit or even know had been committed so long as it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the crimes were part of a conspiracy and that the defendant was a co-conspirator. Stranger still is the fact that although Fatta was acquitted of the original charges, irregularities in court proceedings landed him in a federal prison with an “enhanced” sentence, to jurors’ dismay.
Described as a “low-key kinda guy” by friends, Fatta drove home to find the perimeter of Mt. Carmel Center sealed off and surrounded by federal agents.2 Stunned, he approached the agents and asked what was happening. He was told to leave the premises, yet, warned not to leave town. Agents refused his pleas to be allowed to negotiate on their behalf with the people inside the building.
The 51-day time bomb
Fatta checked into a local motel with his son to wait out what turned into a 51-day stand- off. From time to time ATF agents appeared on the Fattas’ rented doorstep to confirm their whereabouts and intimidate them. One week passed and then another. The agents, increasingly fierce during their visits, cause Fatta to begin to fear for his life and the life of his son. After one such visit too many, they climbed into their vehicle and left town.
In the days to follow, approximately 50 law enforcement professionals will engage in a heated pursuit of Fatta and his son over an area covering several states. Agents will prowl Fatta’s mother’s neighborhood in California and in a dramatic event fit for a TV movie of the week, armed men in full gear will burst into the wrong home, terrifying residents and their out of town guests whose Texas license plate was intelligence enough for the agents in question. On locating Mrs. Fatta’s residence, she was harassed at her front door night and day.
FBI deals with Fatta
For weeks Fatta and son Kalani live on the run, pulling in and out of quick-stops for food and gas, just ahead of furious of federal agents and state police. As the siege back in Waco wore on, patience grew thin and frustration escalated as an FBI agent reported an ATF agent as saying, “Once we find ‘em, they’re dead.”
Fatta learned of the death of his friends at Mt. Carmel Center. Finding himself now the focus of the full attention of government law enforcement, he begins negotiation with the FBI. Fatta refuses surrender until promises are made for the safe delivery of his son to his paternal grandfather at an airport lobby in Las Vegas. Upon arrival, Kalani Fatta finds FBI agents waiting to intercept him. Knowing the terms of the agreement with his father, young Fatta creates a scene, refusing to talk with agents and rushes past to his new custodian.
With the airport duplicity fresh, Fatta changes course to the FBI’s fury and turns himself in on NBC’s Today show hoping to avoid personal harm. Fatta appears wearing a suit, composed and articulate as he fields hard questions about life at Mt. Carmel Center. My image of Branch Davidians is tested.
Agency games
In weeks and months to come, the papers and reports that reached my desk from various sources grew deeper, poor substitutes for real answers over what had so thoroughly assaulted my sensibilities. The fire haunted me. As the Texas wind whipped it into a mesmerizing frenzy, the sound of a voice broke its spell with the report of people trapped inside. Right now, right then, people were burning alive. They were being tormented by flames climbing their clothes and melting their skin if smoke had not mercifully rendered them unconscious. In my mind’s eye, I saw children unable to be comforted by their mothers and parents who agonized for their children.
In a bar, viewers cheered, “It’s about time!”
Now I waited for answers in the coming House and Senate Hearings as the media hammered out a demonized version of what little information there had been access to while kept back from the crime scene. Initial hearings convened 9 days after the fire where the New York Post accused “No one questioned under oath, no immunity granted and questionable testimony,” made even more questionable by new evidence made public February 1998, the thrust of which confirms what supporters of human rights and Paul Fatta have been saying all along.
“I think a lot of it stems from what happened with Ruby Ridge and Randy Weaver. I think with us, they were gonna use this raid to get heir credibility back and what happened is it backfired. Now, they wanted to point us out as some kind of crazy cult fanatics that needed to be taken care of and this was all supposed to be on video because in 2 weeks they had to go before Congress for a budget hearing. Because of what happened at Ruby Ridge, there was already talk about taking away funds or even disbanding, so this was the mission that was gonna win them back...The point: they were supposed to have this all on video and show it to Congress, but mysteriously when the trial came this video disappeared; they had nothing to show.” Paul Fatta
Accused by hearing committee members as using the Branch Davidians for a public relations exercise,3 the ATF is “exposed” on film in good company. Former FBI Forensic Photographer Farris Rookstool was with the Evidence Response Team:
“As one of the primary photographers responsible for photographing evidence as it was being recovered and placed into appropriate bags, I photographed David Koresh’s living quarters and also all of the bodies from what is termed ‘the bunker.’ (Pauses) Having been in a position to walk, touch, feel, hold, photograph, observe a great majority of the bodies at Waco, I am left with an overall disturbing and a haunting opinion that many of the people in the residence were homicide victims.”4
Retired ATF Arson Specialist Rick Sherrow offers his expertise:
“Survivors who exited the south side of the building had to walk through an area contaminated by fuel of a large tank spilled by the government tank operation. The thing that really concerns me is why the building was so totally destroyed afterwards. After the fire was out. There was no fire-fighting whatsoever attempted and in the crime scene, and it was a crime scene, was totally, absolutely destroyed and I’ve seen this happen before.”5
The trial
After six weeks of testimony, 1500 pieces of evidence and most of the 200 federal witnesses called, the verdict was delivered. 18 hours of deliberation over 4 days led the jury to acquit the defendants of the most serious charges; conspiracy to murder and aiding and abetting murder of 4 federal agents who died in the initial raid with 6 Branch Davidians. Of the 13 defendants, 4 were set free, 5 were convicted of voluntary manslaughter and 2 of weapons violations.
Fatta was convicted of possessing a firearm during the commission of a violent crime, namely, conspiracy, and specifically, declared to have conspired to murder federal agents in the pre-sentencing report. Double jeopardy for conspiracy to murder federal agents was addressed by the defense on Fatta’s behalf. Defense Atty. Terrence Kirk alluded to US vs. Korea-Ventura stating that prosecution can’t argue the issue of charging some of the Branch Davidians as using machine-guns when this wasn’t part of the original indictment. Another complication is that Witness for Immunity Kathryn Schroeder “could not be made to say” that she had passed out machine-guns. Other cases were cited and Kirk asserted that the jury must know that gun used in the charges is a machine-gun, which was never made clear.6
The sentences
Initially, US District Judge Walter Smith Jr. had set aside these convictions, explaining that the jury couldn’t find defendants guilty of possessing a firearm while committing a crime if the jury acquitted them of the crime itself. Smith threw out the weapons charge against all seven defendants convicted of it, which prosecutors seemed to accept. Two days later, prosecutors filed a motion asking Smith to restore those convictions citing case law they say supports the jury’s original decision. Smith reinstated the charge and followed most sentencing recommendations of the prosecutors. Federal officials applauded the prison terms while human rights activists and followers of Koresh were outraged.
Renos Avraam, 31, a British businessman and musician, Brad Branch, 36, a technician from Texas, Jaime Castillo, 26, a musician from California and Livingstone Fagan, 35, a British social worker with a masters degree in theology and father of two were each given 40 years. Kevin Whitecliff, 34 and Graeme Craddock, 33, an Australian teacher and engineer were sentenced to 20 years while Paul Fatta , 35 was given 15 years and Ruth Riddle, 31, a Canadian citizen, 5 years.
Jury reactions
Accused of ignoring the spirit of the jury verdict, forewoman Sarah Bain questioned the law that allowed the judge to sentence the defendants as if they were guilty of conspiring together, even though they were acquitted by the jury of the same charge. Bain said that the guilty verdicts on the weapons charges were a mistake and the Davidians were never intended to serve so many years in prison.
“The federal government was absolutely out of control out there (at Mt. Carmel Center).”
Colonel Jack Zimmerman, author and counsel to Steven Schnieder, a Branch Davidian who died in the fire, declares,
“The way things are supposed to work in this country is that if someone is suspected of a crime, even if it is child abuse, even if it’s capital murder, we give them a trial. The jury finds them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt before they go to sentencing. Then a jury or a judge sentences them and an appeals court makes sure the trial was conducted with due process. We don’t kill them first like what happened in Waco, April 19th.”
“Denied without comment.”
The day before the anniversary of the fire, April 18, 1997, the Branch Davidians asked the Supreme Court for a review but were “denied without comment.” The appeal raised questions on instructing jurors regarding gun charges that they said required conviction of murder as well as the potential use of enhanced sentences such as Fatta’s after their acquittals for murder.7 The judge chose not to so instruct the jurors. The Court refused to decide the issue of whether a judge or jury should decide if a defendant had an illegal weapon and differing conclusions have come from different circuit courts.
Judge Walter Smith ruled that the Branch Davidians did in fact have automatic weapons based on the FBI labs allegations that there were 48, however, errors have been reported found in FBI lab methods by the Department of Justice’s Inspector General Congressional Committees.
In his article, The Legacy of Waco: The Demise of ATF and Justice Department Integrity, Jack Zimmerman describes “a totally incompetent decision (to destroy the building) made by desk-bound Washington bureaucrats. I predict none of their heads will fall. The public ought not to accept such an outcome.”
Our part
Within a day or two of the fire, I was one of the few who happened to hear the retraction of allegations of child abuse against the Branch Davidians. Investigated by child protective services the previous year, they were determined to be unfounded. The documents that authorities had used to based their decisions on were null and void. The assault on April 19th “to save the children” was for nothing.
I struggled over the Branch Davidians. Media-formed images of menacing men and subservient women obedient to the demands of a megalomaniac silenced my conscience for brief periods of time, but it all boils down. Public revelation of agents in charge of the raid lying to their superiors and overall incompetence within the Treasury Department followed the candy-coated House inquiry 9 days after the fire.8 Subsequent House and Senate hearings show committee members badgering credible witnesses and further testimonies simply do not equate the proclaimed conclusion by Senator Joe Biden:
“...although mistakes were made, government forces did not do that (cause the fire.) The Branch Davidians burned themselves.”
Authorities may have allowed federal agents a search warrant9 from an affidavit based on sloppy intelligence and vindictive claims of a former sect member who found alliance with the Cult Awareness Network.10 Avoiding opportunities for peaceful encounters with Koresh allowed for the over-zealous raid on 135 people under the guise of delivering the missing search warrant.11 Casualties were immediate on both sides and a 51-day siege ensued,12 including sensationalist press to demonize people whose home had been violently invaded and guide our mental images choosing such words as “compound,” “fortress” and “sniper tower,” as opposed to portraying the structures for what they were: a modest building of no particular strength or protection and a water tower.13 Of specific interest at one hearing was the decision to use CS gas which was banned for military use in the Chemical Weapons Convention in Paris, January 1993 by more than 100 countries, including the United States, for its devastating affects. Although authorities knew that there were no gas masks inside the building that would fit the children, they allowed canisters of CS gas, likely to explode and ignite fires, hurled into frame structure through holes punched in walls with illegally appropriated military tanks. The resulting torture of the children through the inhalation of the gas and its affects, contorting and freezing them into a seizure-like state, is documented by forensic photography.
The decision-makers abandoned their “save the children” campaign in what’s been called a “modern massacre,” “the bloodiest event in law enforcement history” and the worst abuse of federal authorities by government forces since 200 American Indians were massacred at Wounded Knee in 1890.
Like the Native Americans, the Davidian children have faded from our memory, as has our interest in the deaths of their parents and grandparents under the watch of the federal government. Results of a portion of a WSJ/NBC poll released in June 1995 showed Americans of the opinion that it is more important to hold hearings on militia groups than on Waco, three to one. A Canadian recently gave me his view of Americans.
“Americans would rather take leave of unpleasantness,” he said, “than take action and fight for their communities and rights.”
We are a nation that once called our leaders to account for, and then to end, an immoral war. The mantra of the 60’s, “Question Authority” seems to have lost its punch. We haven’t even questioned our media, whose primary function is to sell papers and air time while entertaining us.
The Branch Davidians and their children have become disposable people. Perhaps we are intolerant of belief systems that are “off center” of our own. We may consider the people of Mt. Carmel Center deviants not worthy of our attention. Is it better to sweep their glaring political incorrectness under the rug with the less-than-saintly David Koresh? Are our individual and cumulative consciences seared?
While former Attorney General Ramsey Clark defends the Branch Davidians as symbolizing “the eternal struggle for the right of humans to pray to their God as they see fit,” others breathe a cautious sigh of relief.
“The ATF has recovered quite well as an institutionas long as there aren’t too many more anniversaries, too many more discussions about Waco.” Ron Noble, Undersecretary Treasury Department
You desperately need to find a new name.
You have proven that you wouldn’t recognize the truth if it struck you in the face.
Ruby Ridge was the taste of blood they needed to form the appitite to go for the mass murder at WACO. Our federal employees are the same people no matter who is president. Our government’s justice agencies are corrupt and has spread the corruption to the States.
Alamo-Girl was the greatest. Think she got booted during a purge.
Also, when the ATF ran out of bullets (!!!!!) during their initial attack, the Davidians allowed the murderous bastards to retreat. Remember, this was after the ATF had killed some of the residents! I believe that was a tactical grave error.
That's cr4p. He was the mouse, government was the cat. They had the power. They controlled the timing. They brought in the tanks. They brought in the snipers. They brought in the tear gas. They pulled the trigger.
I believe if you were to reread the post you willshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
find I did not say what you have quoted me as saying.Have a blessed day.
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