You Have the Right to Remain Silent (LT Colonel Lakin Read His Rights)

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[BuckeyeTexan]

His eligibility was NEVER proven - so doubt IS the next step. Being sworn in is NOT proof - it's a formality assuming there was proof.

That's where you're mistaken. The Electoral College cast their votes for Barack Obama without any verbal or written objections regarding his eligibility. They certified their votes and submitted them to Congress to be counted and verified.

The Congress counted and certified the votes of the Electoral College which is the lawful entity who elects our Presidents and Vice Presidents. Any Congressman could have submitted a written challenge to the Electoral Vote count. No written objections were submitted, therefore VP Cheney did not call for objections.

The vote of the Electoral College was counted, certified, and verified as accurate. At that moment, Candidate Obama became President-Elect Obama.

The Constitution dictates what shall take place if a President-Elect fails to qualify. As you know he didn't fail to qualify because no legitimate evidence of disqualification was presented.

Barack Hussein Obama was sworn into office by the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. He's the POTUS acccording to proper procedure.

If you believe he usurped the office of POTUS, prove it. That's where were stand.

[Red Steel]

Ping. Watch out for the trolls.

[oneolcop]

Well, you asked for it: You're wrong...for the simple reason that it takes courage to stand up for one's beliefs. If Colonel Roberts chose to support LTC Lakin and refuse to conduct an article 31 hearing (akin to an arraignment in civilian terms), he would cause a crisis in the upper ranks of the military. Then a General Officer, (Col. Roberts boss) would have to decide whether to proffer charges against both LTC Lakin and COL Roberts, the MOH holder. That would be when the real sparks started to fly.

[presently no screen name]

As much as I loathed that peckerwood it was unthinkable that I would not obey orders.

I agree. You may not have agreed with his decisions but he was the President/CIC. But you didn't have to wonder - is he eligible? Is he the enemy within and, if so, then I'm DISOBEYING my oath by taking orders from a fraud - an enemy to my country.

I'm sure Lakin has obeyed orders he wasn't thrilled with in his career but now they are asking him to DISOBEY his oath to his country. We have never been in this crisis before - and our country should be right behind a defender of our Constitution. He is not doing this for himself - he has nothing to gain but lose - he's doing it for us/USA.

[verity]

And the moon is made of green cheese. lol

[BP2]

And if he sues then he can't establish standing because he can't establish a causal relationship between his injury and Obama's actions.

Otto Non-Sequitur ...
Let me correct you on a couple of things, OK?

Aristotle was not Belgian.

The central message of Buddhism is not every man for himself.

The London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes.

Furthermore, if you're looking for a "causal relationship" for Injury, as caused to Lt Col Lakin by his deployment orders as directed by the (de facto) President, start by READING the "National Security Act of 1947".

Look for phrases like "Under the direction of the President" and "Subject to the authority, direction, and control of the President" — and it will tell you who's in charge.

The National Command Authority (NCA) — the ultimate lawful source of ALL military orders — passes down its directives from the SECDEF and President, both of which currently get their CONSTITUTIONAL POWER from Barrack Hussein Obama (as SCARY a proposition that is). The President at the TOP is ALWAYS responsible, as he ALSO has the AUTHORITY to, at his discretion and whim, RELIEVE FROM COMMAND all of those BELOW him, including the SECDEF himself! Again, sh!t rolls downhill.

Command Authority in our military, from the time our Constitution was written to now, is derived FROM an -ELECTED- Commander in Chief (CinC). Thank goodness, too, or General George Washington could have resumed his Commission — from whence he resigned in Annapolis on Dec. 23, 1783 — when the Electoral College elected Washington unanimously in 1789 after our Constitution was fully ratified.

ANYTIME a deployment order (or any order for that matter) is given -SOLELY- on the INDEPENDENT Command Authority of a lower Commander — even the appointed SECDEF himself — consider that a violation of EVERY DoD and Military Service Manual and Directive written on the subject ... and really even the Constitution itself! That's called a Military coups, a common occurrence in any banana republic, but not here.

Unless you somehow think — in your ever-so flawed logic — that Army Chief of Staff Gen. Casey is an independent Sovereign Military Commander, much like Napoleon ... the SECDEF, Gen. Casey and -ALL- of those BELOW them derive their Command Authority for
***ALL National Security actions*** from the President.

As everyone knows, there's room for only ONE Napoleon as long as Obama is president.

[GregNH]

Kind of off topic but isn't this the best description of the COLB ever put together. I love it!!

Meanwhile, cries mount for proof of that eligibility, but nothing has been forthcoming. The Obama campaign at one point released a copy of computer-generated abstract of information purportedly in Hawaii's records system, but the source of this information is unclear and need not have been a birth certificate issued contemporaneously and signed by the doctor who attended the birth. Even the document released was only a copy, and the version printed in the Los Angeles Times on June 16, 2008 is on a form only in use since late 2001. Even as it is, the document contains a warning that it is merely “prima facie”--threshold, rebuttable and thus inconclusive --evidence of birth, and the copy the Times printed mysteriously has the certificate number blacked out, thereby rendering the document unusable according to language on the bottom.

[greeneyes]

” I seriously have to wonder if not dismissing this like what happened with Maj. Cook, is deliberate. Deliberate on the part of the military powers that be to guarantee that one of theirs will be able to have standing in the courts and Obama is forced to reveal his hand.”

It could also be deliberate, for a different reason. To make an example, and discourage any future actions of a similar nature to show that it will result in severe punishment.

Further more, it is likely that the preponderance of effort will also go toward refusing to require Obama’s BC long form. Too many people in power failed to do their duty in qualifying the O. All that power will be focused on preventing discovery of that colusion.

[Red Steel]

He is not doing this for himself - he has nothing to gain but lose - he's doing it for us/USA.

Lt Col. Lakin in his own words:

[Mr Rogers]

If someone has evidence that Obama lied about his eligibility, then they need to provide that proof. Until then, the decisions made by state officials, the public, Congress etc stand - and Obama is President.

And IF proof was provided, THEN Congress would act to remove Obama. Congress, not the courts. The only thing a court could rule on would be the definition of “natural born”. Even then, they would be loath to overrule Congress or the People, who voted knowing full well that Obama’s father wasn’t an American.

But Obama doesn’t have to prove his eligibility to every member of the military on demand. If state officials, and the opposition party, and the people, and the Congress & the Supreme Court are all content, then the military members need to either accept it or get out.

Lakin wants to do neither.

[edge919]

It’s pretty good but a little long. Easy enough to say the alleged COLB cannot be affirmed as genuine or accurate by the issuing agency. The certificate number seen in some alleged photos of the document appears to be fraudulent based on Hawaii filing procedures.

[Man50D]

If someone has evidence that Obama lied about his eligibility, then they need to provide that proof.

The only one who needs to prove BO/BS fulfills the natural born citizenship requirement in Article 2 Section 1 is BO/BS.

[Wonder Warthog]

"They can make the request but if they can't convince the court of the relevance then the judge will turn them down. This is not a fishing expedition. The defense is entitled to documents relating the the charges Lakin is facing and not everything under the sun."

Since the birth documentation is central to his defense against both charges, I don't see how any sane judge can refuse.

[edge919]

Obama has failed to prove his eligibility. This isn’t at question. Claiming is not the same as proving. All our members of the military and all real citizens of the United States deserve full disclosure and certifiable proof that the claims are truthful.

[TIElniff]

Col. Lakin’s stand kinda reminds me of that of Martin Luther at the Diet of Worms:

“I am overcome by the Scriptures I have quoted; my conscience is captive to God’s Word. I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand; I cannot do otherwise. God help me. Amen. (April 18, 1521)

[Mr Rogers]

Military members don’t get to decide who is eligible for election. If Lakin has problems with Obama’s eligibility, he should have resigned and pursued them.

It isn’t his call.

[UCFRoadWarrior]

Phil Cave, a retired Navy judge advocate general who now practices military law as a civilian, said that even if Lakin does decide to deploy as scheduled, the Army still may be able to prosecute him. Under Article 88, Cave said, a servicemember can be charged for making disrespectful comments or remarks about the president.

Cave believes that Lakin’s supporters in the birther movement hope that a court-martial will give defense attorneys the authority to seek, through discovery, other documents to help make their case.

“They think that by using [servicemembers in a court-martial] they can get discovery like you could in any criminal prosecution,” he said. “That ain’t gonna happen. They’re not going to have discovery where they’re going to get the president to produce a birth certificate because, I’m reasonably certain, no military judge, no appellate court and no federal court, and no U.S. Supreme Court is going to say they have a right to get that as a matter of discovery.”

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Unless this former JAG officer (I doubt he was a military judge or magistrate...or he would have been identitfied as such) has handled a case dealing with the Birth Certificate of a sitting President....or can cite such a case that set the precedent he claims....this former JAG officer is blowing smoke.....he has no idea how a military judge will rule on allowing the Birth Certificate in as evidence....or allow the defense to obtain it

Since the defense will be based on Obama not being able to legally hold the office of President based on his birth status or other issues.....the military judge will have to rule in favor of the defense...or it will get overturned on appeal. The Birth Cert is an essential part of the defense’s case.

[Mr Rogers]

“Obama has failed to prove his eligibility. This isn’t at question.”

Well, everyone with a role in determining eligibility disagrees with you. 50 states. Congress. The American people.

Sorry.

[presently no screen name]

knows the only way to get at the problem is to break the rule(s) and handle the consequences head on

Doesn't matter - if he didn't stand up - he would be breaking his oath to our Constitution. He chose to stand up for his country and the pledge he took. And for that he will be court marshaled. And Barry, who has no value for our Constitution, has the highest office in the land. He bows (submits) to heads of states but NEVER to our Constitution.

Go LAKIN! I hope to see you run for office one day - no one can ever dispute your character - you will always do the right thing for America - no matter what the cost.

[Wonder Warthog]

And the entire basis of his campaign in all 50 states centers on ONE document, the certification, under oath (i.e. notarized), by Nancy Pelosi, that he was qualifed to run. He has NOT released a birth certificate.