Posted on 04/10/2010 11:49:41 PM PDT by Steelfish
April 11, 2010 Richard Dawkins: I Will Arrest Pope Benedict XVI Marc Horne
Atheist campaigner Richard Dawkins RICHARD DAWKINS, the atheist campaigner, is planning a legal ambush to have the Pope arrested during his state visit to Britain “for crimes against humanity”.
Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the atheist author, have asked human rights lawyers to produce a case for charging Pope Benedict XVI over his alleged cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church.
The pair believe they can exploit the same legal principle used to arrest Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, when he visited Britain in 1998.
The Pope was embroiled in new controversy this weekend over a letter he signed arguing that the “good of the universal church” should be considered against the defrocking of an American priest who committed sex offences against two boys. It was dated 1985, when he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which deals with sex abuse cases.
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The issue really isn't that perverts infiltrated an organization. It's the response when the criminal activity was discovered.
If the information was gained through confession the Bishop hearing the confession wouldn't be able to go to the police but he could require the confessor to. If for some reason the Bishop can't force the confessor to do that he sure can move the criminal to a place where there are no young boys and girls. Instead the response seems to be to keep it quiet to "protect the reputation of the church".
It's the cover up that makes it so much worse.
Exactly.
That said, I believe withholding the information of a crime from legal authorities, is a criminal act, in most jurisdictions.
If you know of a paedophile, you can be in legal trouble for not informing the authorities. This is what I’m aware of.
Other than this, the moral hypocrisy makes such cases stand out, as it has, with the RCC.
>>"I am sorry. Richard Dawkins is perfect. I never should have criticized him."
Apparently, I did not make myself clear. I in no way defending Dawkins. For the record, Dawkins is a "fool."
Psalm 14
1The fool has (A)said in his heart, "There is no God "
metmom: your use of the *secondary* definition while ignoring the original and *primary* definition seems a little disingenuous: (from your source)
Main Entry: fun·da·men·tal·ism
Pronunciation: \-tə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1922
1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b : the beliefs of this movement c : adherence to such beliefs
2 : a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>
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Intending the secondary and derivative definition (derived from nearly a century of pejorative false usage) instead of the original meaning, especially in a discussion of a religious subject, could cause someone (who did not know your intention) to imagine that you were only intending to perpetuate the media slur against a large number of your brothers in Christ.
Furthermore, the secondary usage could refer ro many Catholics, as well as many others.
Therefore, the original statement regarding Dawkins is so ambiguous as to convey no determinable meaning.
DG
It is not mine. It excludes a number of religions; only the major players are on it; and which one is winning over the world.
Since Mr. Dawkins doesn't believe in G-d, he has no standards by which to determine what is or is not a "crime."
I think your not looking at the same map; the map I show has the Christian religion dominating and expanding around the world; not the other way around.
I believe if it is information learned in confession they are limited in what they can do. However, they aren't totally helpless. I've yet to learn why the priest hearing the confession can't tell the confessor as part of their absolution they must go to the police and tell them what they did. Also, there is no reason the criminal can't be removed from contact with any young boys and girls.
If you know of a paedophile, you can be in legal trouble for not informing the authorities. This is what I’m aware of.
I believe the only argument is about the privacy of the confession. If someone was seeing a psychiatrist, or their attorney I believe the Dr. or lawyer would be required to be quiet. Even then if they knew additional crimes would be committed I believe they have to tell the police.
Other than this, the moral hypocrisy makes such cases stand out, as it has, with the RCC.
It's all about the cover up!
Maybe unfairly, but we do hold religious leaders to higher standards.
Yes, and it is for reasons such as these that man-made religious institutions enjoy such advantages as lesser scrutiny and more tax benefits. Of course, exposure of their darker sides is beginning to change all that, now.
You are also an idiot, and obvously ignorant about how the Catholic Church is structured.
It would be like arresting and trying the U.S. president for accessory to murder, for playing politics with the lives of U.S. Soldiers by effectively tying both hands behind their backs with the official (and mandatory) R.O.E.s
The seal of the Confessional requires that the priest hearing the confession not say/do anything that divulges what was confessed. Thus the priest may not (for example):
- speak if the sin outright (obviously)
- treat the penitent any differently because of what was confessed
- give a penance that requires the penitent to divulge his/her sin outside of the confessional (that doesn't mean that the priest can't say for example that something stolen should be returned or that the criminal should turn himself in as a matter of justice - only that it cannot be compelled as a condition for absolution)
(p.s. the proper term for the priest hearing the confession is 'confessor', a more accurate term for the person confessing is 'penitent')
FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME . . . just some hints of such . . . some tips of the iceberg . . . from Ferraro’s TEN SERIES OF MEDITATIONS ON THE MYSTERIES OF THE ROSARY, DAUGHTERS OF ST PAUL
ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.
WITH
RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR
p14
“O fortunate Virgin, only you were worthy to be called by God, ‘Daughter,’ ‘Spouse,’ and ‘Mother!’”
—St Augustine
p. 23
“So great were the sorrows of the Most Holy Virgin that if they had been divided among all the creatures on earth, they would have killed all of them in an instant.”
—St Bernardine of Siena
p.25
“On Calvary there were two altars: the body of Christ and the heart of Mary. Christ sacrificed His flesh, while Mary sacrificed her soul.” —Abbot Arnold Carnot
p.28
“Among so many women who are daughters of sin, only You are a daughter of life, O Mary!” —Dionysius, Bishop of Alexandria
p.31
4 - Finally, her excessive love for God caused her departure from this earth.
5 - The angels carried her body gloriously into Heaven because her most holy flesh could not become food for worms.
6 - The apostles felt great wonder and indescribable joy at witnessing the Assumption of the Virgin Mary.
p.32
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .
1 - Mary, entering triumphantly into Heaven, ascended as far as the throne of the Most Holy Trinity.
2 - The Father seated her at the right hand of her Son and crowned her Queen of Heaven and of earth.
3 - She became Queen of Paradise, for in her all Heaven found a new motive for eternal enjoyment.
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.
5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.
6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.
“Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary’s help, quickly slide toward hell.” —Richard of St Victor
p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! —Partial Indulgence
p41
“Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast.” —Prov. 3:18
p43
1 - “Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!”
4 - “Her name, like the name of Jesus, is joy to the heart, a drop of honey to the mouth, a delightful melody to the ear.”
p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferrewd upon all others, ‘that she might vanquish sin in every respect.’ [Qx: I guess Christ’s vanquishing sin was unnecessary—or ineffectual without Mary’s assistance?]
p46
7 - “Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue.”
[Qx: I guess Christ’s conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]
9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. ‘No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.’
[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a ‘Walter Mitty’ role as spouse of Mary?]
p47
4 - “Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Even committed by trusting in the serpent.’
[Qx: Beat Christ to the job, did she?]
5 - “She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought.”
8 - “Mary is the divine rainbow that appeared in the darkness of the flood, to announce to the world the peace God had granted.”
9 - “She is like a rainbow surrounding the throne of God who lessens His sentence against sinners.”
[Qx: OOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo She countermands/softens even BIG DADDY’S harsh pronouncements against the little kiddies. She must feel SUPREMELY POWERFUL!]
10 - “As Noah’s Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care.”
p50
4 - “By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence, she participates in the infinite sanctity of God.”
8 - “If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?”
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Enough . . . again . . . the tip of the iceberg.
I feel the same way, but not as a former RC. The church left me, but not of their own volition.
Making the parishes responsible for hundreds of millions$ in damages, instead of the individual criminals was a civil, not a church process.
The pervert lottery.
Duplicitous writing is not impossible to understand.
What’s more difficult is understanding the rationalizations in support of it.
WELL SAID.
Thx.
Well put.
INDEED TO THE MAX.
THANKS MUCH.
Ratzinger’s “reform of the U.N.” is to strengthen the U.N.
Yeesh. What hope is there for this republic if “conservative” Roman Catholics don’t see the trainwreck heading straight for this country?
236 posted on Sunday, April 11, 2010 1:01:09 PM by Dr. Eckleburg (”I don’t think they want my respect; I think they want my submission.” - Flemming
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INDEED TO THE MAX.
THANKS.
Ahhhhhhhhhh. . .
I gather a fresh anointing of sweetness and light has just struck by a just fluttered down white hanky!
LOL.
Sigh.
Yet again, Dr E, we see that when folks cannot effectively contend with the facts, they resort to personal hostilities.
Soooooooooooooooooooo impressive.
AGREED.
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