Posted on 04/10/2010 12:18:01 PM PDT by howkn
"Obama, as a 2nd Executive Order, I think on January the 21st or 22nd of 2009, signed an order which forbade any court or anyone else, to look at any records pertaining to him from kindergarten to the day he was sworn in, that you cannot, cannot re-look at, have the Freedom of Information Act implied, or anything else...if you want to know about Obama, his records are sealed permanently by his Executive Order signature." Manning
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Perhaps one of our FReeper legal eagles can comment on this.”
You are correct. That is a standard Executive Order covering how to handle and store Presidential records (i.e., records after he became President). It has nothing to do with any records of his life before he became President, which, as you also correctly note, are covered by privacy laws applicable to anyone.
Wrong...If he has lied about his background, has lied about his education, he needs to step down. He will have committed fraud in order to win an election and therefore should resign as he caused a University to cover for him as well.
If he lied about his education no matter the reason, he needs to resign. Period.
Clinton lied and lied and lied. Clinton was impeached, but not tried.
Obama will not step down or be impeached because of lies about a degree. That could be spun as a ‘mistatement’ or ‘error’.
What ***could*** get rid of Obama are his birth certificate and NBC controversies. That’s not saying anything will ever come of any of that, but ***if*** something broke in that subject area, then yes we could see a resignation or impeachment, possibly.
The other thing that can get rid of Obama, in the sense that he will not run for a second term, is that States are now passing laws that presidential candidates must furnish unequivocal proof of their eligibility including official long-from birth certificates to prove NBC as NBC is defined to be born in the United States of two citizen parents.
It matters because this person never would have won a National Election:
Obama
1) No Undergraduate Degree (never completed the proper courses - needs to go back and take said courses to obtain a legitimate bachelors degree, but would have to reapply and he didn’t have a high enough gpa from Occidental so he really has to start over)
2) No Law Degree (see previous post)
3) No IL Law License (signed legal documents stating his education was accurate which means if he didn’t have a legitimate bachelor’s degree, he lied to the State of IL)
VS (who he allegedly pretended to be)
Columbia University Bachelor Degree
Harvard Law Degree
IL Law License
If what Manning said is true, Obama lied when he ran for office and needs to step down.
If he lied about his education no matter the reason, he needs to resign. Period.”
No. In this theory, he was an undercover CIA operative serving his country and, in all likelihood, obligated to maintain that cover thereafter. That's neither dishonest nor a crime. It would represent loyalty and self-sacrifice worthy of admiration.
Now, that's speaking hypothetically. Since this whole thing is stark raving mad, it doesn't matter.
If what Manning is stating is true, he not only lied, he committed fraud and other criminal acts.
If what Manning says is true, then Obama would have put his life at risk to serve his country in a manner sanctioned by the US government. As a veteran, I would applaud that. If anything, it would enhance his stature with most people.
But again, since this whole Manning trial is obvious insanity, it doesn't matter.
First things first, the trial is about Did Obama Lie About Obtaining a Bachelors Degree from Columbia?
If the answer is yes, he lied then he needs to step down for lying to the American Public in order to win a National Election.
I think you miss Manning’s point. The Agency may have placed him in Columbia and saw that he got a degree there without really earning it. Manning is going after Columbia on that point.
From YouTube comments, most judge the Pastor to be charasmatic, shedding light on Obama’s true character.
Because Obama is anything but transparent, people are going to remember from the Pastor’s broadcasts that there is more darkness associated with Obama than there is light. Such remembrances should have a beneficial effect to shifting power in the coming elections.
If you think otherwise I am sure the Obama people will warm to you.
If the answer is yes, he lied then he needs to step down for lying to the American Public in order to win a National Election.”
But in his deranged Youtube video, the Reverend went on to provide an honorable basis for that lie in which Obama served his country under a cover story provided by the US government. If that is true (it obviously isn't), then Obama’s lie is not his; it is the government’s and he would be obligated to live with it. And he would be worthy of our respect and admiration.
Now, I understand that the Reverends ravings are just that, so I'm not holding my breath to extend that respect and admiration. But neither should you be holding your breath expecting the esteemed Reverend to prove anything meaningful. I doubt Columbia is sweating this.
I think you're confusing this fake trial with a real one. of course they're going to determine that Obama and Columbia committed fraud. But it's just a bit of theater.
Columbia isn’t sweating this? Ob isn’t paying attention to this? Then why do the seeia continue to visit Manning? Why did Manning’s website get hacked just recently? If no one cared, the other side would start ignoring Manning posts on fr as it’s an obvious non-story. The fact that this story doesn’t get ignored on fr says a lot.
Why won’t the Dems ignore it if it’s just theater? Why so interested?
How anyone who knows anything about Obama could think even for moment that he would serve under President Reagan and go against the Soviets is staggering. Then again, I should be used to being "staggered" by now. I've read quite a few jaw-dropping things here in the past couple years.
This is precisely the problem with Rev Manning. The potentially legit concerns he addresses are destroyed by the insane ones.
Notice how the naysayers continue to harp on the Ci a part, while ignoring the staggering allegation that Obama LIED about going to Columbia. LIED
As in, allegedly L-I-E-D to the American People in order to win an election.
If it's proven to be true, the upcoming headlines all over the world would read like,
Obama Caught Lying on His Resume...
Columbia University in on the 20 Year Cover-Up.
Where’s your proof that any of his assertions are false?
Manning’s proof will be presented May 14-21, 2010.
Unbelievable.
Yes, but that is not grounds for impeachment, believe it or not. What are gounds for impeachment are the ***usage*** of government authority, powers, personnel and property to commit crimes.
Manning’s revelation is very likely not to result in Obama’s removal. But it will more likely bring more discontent among the voting public this Fall, as they are already boiling over with disgust.
I do expect the Obama people to attack and slander the character of Pastor Manning not because it is so much a threat to Obama, they are likely not worried about that, but they are worried I am sure that Manning’s evidence can possibly make the outcome of the Fall’s elections even more calamitous for Obama’s party than it already appears to be heading. And that’s because it goes to further erosion of the credibility of candidates sponsored by the democrat party.
The people on this thread who are saying Manning is a crackpot or that his allegations are nonsense, these people are playing into Obama’s hands. If they would lower themselves from their self-elevated perches of everlasting virtue, and say to the democrat party:
I TRUST THE PASTOR MORE THAN I TRUST YOUR BULLSH+T PRESIDENT!
Then I think we will have the makings of a political army that has each other’s back, even when some of us shoot off mark.
How can he get away with sealing the rcords of non-government (i.e., private) institutions? Simply by doing it, or so it seems, if this is true. Just as he saddled we taxpayers with the tab for the unsustainably over-the-top generous retirement benefits and life-long medical care for UAW members.
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