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1 posted on 04/10/2010 5:49:28 AM PDT by quesney
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Very easy to start getting suspicious of this crash. Especially with the turnover in Kyrgyzstan.


2 posted on 04/10/2010 5:50:48 AM PDT by HD1200
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The bear grows bold...who would question them...Obama? ROTF!


3 posted on 04/10/2010 5:53:55 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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Just woke and saw this on Drudge. Holy Mother of God!

Just wow.


4 posted on 04/10/2010 5:54:17 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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Even Putin isn’t that brazen to kill the Polish President in his own backyard. Give the guy some credit.


5 posted on 04/10/2010 5:55:00 AM PDT by AlanD
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Katyn Woods Massacre II: Putin Boogaloo

Anyone familiar with Russo-Polish relations smells something fishy here.....


6 posted on 04/10/2010 5:56:14 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD Hayworth for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com)
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7 posted on 04/10/2010 5:56:34 AM PDT by diverteach (D.C. has become Jonestown)
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Man, this is awful.

Prayers to the family and our Polish, freedom-loving, brothers and sisters.

:(


9 posted on 04/10/2010 5:57:08 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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Well, that will certainly calm everyone down.


10 posted on 04/10/2010 5:57:28 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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Vlad the impaler will ‘personally’ head the investigation?

WTH does Putin know about plane crashes, other than how to cause them from his KGB days?


12 posted on 04/10/2010 5:59:04 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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ABC News: Vladimir Putin to head investigation into Polish president's death

phew....and I was concerned...what a load that is off of my mind (mega sarc)

14 posted on 04/10/2010 6:01:42 AM PDT by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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Vladimir Putin to head investigation into Polish president's death

Terrific! Now we'll get to the bottom of it! (yeah, right)

KGB Putin is still looking into who poisoned the president of the Ukraine several years ago. Also who murdered scores of reporters critical of him.

23 posted on 04/10/2010 6:07:28 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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lol Im sure is was not an accident if Putin is heading up the investigation...


36 posted on 04/10/2010 6:15:06 AM PDT by dalebert
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Heavy fog... That's a dangerous time to fly. I don't think this is anything but an accident at this time. But if Russia use any turmoil in Poland to move.... well... there are poles all over the world.

We must help. We have to be like the Jews, NEVER AGAIN! NEVER AGAIN should we stand back and let Poland be invaded. I don't know what the legality of it is , but I would hope that if the USA does nothing... something like the Rough Riders can return.
37 posted on 04/10/2010 6:15:39 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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What if the Russian Tower gave them false altimeter setting info?

In the fog you might think you were approaching the airfield at a greater altitude than you actually were ... then .........

The reporting of altimeter setting information by an airport traffic control tower and/or by ATC Regional Centers is a routine requirement for safe en route (altitude separation) and terminal area (approach) navigation and has been a standard procedure for many years. Presently, each control tower has one or more precision aneroid or bourdon tube type barometric pressure sensing altimeter setting indicators (ASI) having accuracies on the order of ± 0.020 to ± .040 inches of mercury. Each sensor has to be calibrated periodically in accordance with its own calibration characteristic and this calibration "number" must be "greasepencilled" periodically on the face of the instrument and taken into account in the computation of the reported altimeter setting number. This task is difficult, time consuming and subject to human error. The altimeter setting indicator reading from such instruments is not readily converted into digital format for transmission throughout an airport for remote indication. It is often the situation that different calibration numbers must be added or subtracted from the instrument reading with respect to the various instruments at the airport, often resulting in discrepancies between altimeter settings communicated to aircraft from different sources at the same airport.

Schiphol airliner crash blamed on altimeter failure, pilot error

Investigators in The Netherlands have announced that last month's crash of a Boeing 737-800 was caused by a combination of an instrument failure and pilot error. Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 crashed upon approach to Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport, killing nine and injuring eighty of the 135 passengers and crew on board.

Pieter van Vollenhoven, head of the Dutch Safety Board, said yesterday that as the aircraft was at 1,950 feet the faulty altimeter indicated that the airliner's height was at minus eight feet. Because the autopilot and autothrottle were running from this flawed data the plane automatically reduced engine power as it would in the final seconds before landing.

The sensitive altimeter

The sensitive altimeter is the cockpit instrument that indicates the aircraft's altitude. The instrument is a refined aneroid barometer with a dial indicating height above a pre-set level rather than atmospheric pressure. The main component of such an instrument is a small, flexible, corrugated metal capsule from which the air has been partially evacuated — fitted with a metal closure or diaphragm. There is a spring within the capsule that applies a constant force to the bottom of the diaphragm, while atmospheric static pressure applies a counter force to the top, so that the diaphragm moves as atmospheric pressure changes. The movement of the pressure-sensing capsule is transferred and magnified — via a mechanical linkage or piezo-quartz component — to a dial pointer or pointers, or a digital display, which indicate the altitude reading. The static pressure is drawn from the aircraft's static vent, which may induce slight position errors due to aerodynamic effects around the vent.

The level in the atmosphere at which any particular pressure occurs is also dependent on temperature — as we saw in the 'Airspeed and the properties of air' module — but the altimeter does not sense the air temperature. Consequently, all altimeters are calibrated in accordance with the International Standard Atmosphere [ISA] model, which utilises a standard temperature lapse rate with height of 6.5 °C per km. The atmosphere in any region rarely corresponds to the ISA, so aneroid altimeters do not indicate totally accurate height. This is not that important, as true altitude can be calculated, in the rare circumstance that it is needed for terrain clearance purposes. There is no problem with air traffic management, in that all aircraft in the same region, with properly set (and functioning) altimeters, will be out by the same amount.

It is, of course, desirable to set the current local surface pressure into the altimeter by setting that reference pressure into a pressure-setting scale (known since the 1930s as the 'Kollsman Window'), which in turn resets the position of the height-indicating pointers against the dial. Or, if the aircraft is on the ground, the same result is achieved by turning the pressure-setting scale until the altimeter indicates the known airfield elevation. The altimeter in the image indicates an altitude of 1400 feet with the baro-scale set at 29.9 inches of mercury [in/Hg] — equivalent to 1013 hPa. If the altitude was 11 400 feet, the pointer with the inverted triangle on the end would be past the figure 1 on the image, indicating +10 000 feet.

In Australia, all barometric pressures are reported in hectopascals [equivalent to millibars]; and in the USA in units of inches of mercury [in/Hg =33.86 hPa]. The sub-scale setting range provided in modern altimeters is from 850 to 1050 hPa.

Altitude encoding

In some flight conditions, an aircraft must operate a transponder for traffic separation purposes. The transponder obtains altitude data from a special altitude encoding altimeter or from a blind encoder; the latter being an electronic device that obtains current atmospheric pressure from the static pressure line and the reference pressure used is preset at 1013.2 hPa. That same reference pressure is used for the altitude encoding function of the altimeter, thus the transponder broadcasts pressure altitude only.

42 posted on 04/10/2010 6:18:07 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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Is it just me, or does this sound like the first chapter of a Tom Clancy novel? At first, it seems to be a random event- and then one by one the pieces start to fall into place, until you say “No way!” Our thoughts are with the families of the dead.


47 posted on 04/10/2010 6:20:58 AM PDT by Ostlandr ( CONUS SITREP is foxtrot uniform bravo alfa romeo)
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49 posted on 04/10/2010 6:21:20 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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The beginning of World War III?

The world's economy is in a shambles just like before WW2.

60 posted on 04/10/2010 6:31:42 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I'm in my head and can't get out.)
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In other news, a crack fox detective has been assigned to investigate a mysterious mass disappearance at the local hen house.


64 posted on 04/10/2010 6:38:35 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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Now this is REALLY suspicious...

Did Putin just pull a Slick Willie and “Ron Brown” Kaczynski?


65 posted on 04/10/2010 6:38:39 AM PDT by RockinRight (Obama Logic: Global Warming causes blizzards, and deficit spending balances budgets.)
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After several approaches in heavy fog...

I'm thinking it was an accident.

I'm also wondering why they had so many big shots on one plane.

67 posted on 04/10/2010 6:40:20 AM PDT by Mariner
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