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To: LorenC
Moving the goalposts. All of the available evidence says that your two statements are incorrect. You have no evidence to support their accuracy or factual validity. The lack of supporting evidence and the existence of contradictory evidence is a strong showing that you're wrong.

I moved no goalposts. The only person lacking evidence is Obama at proving he was born in Hawaii. So far there is none.

Unless you want to claim that the author is lying about where he got "Indonesia" from, and advance some plausible hypothesis as to why he would lie, it seems the only reason you don't believe him is because his confession does not sync with your preexisting hypothesis.

Find his source for his claim that he read somewhere on the Interent that Obama was born in Indonesia.

Because there are no references in that article to instances where Obama reported having been born in any hospital other than Kapiolani. ZERO.

Friend, you need to do a better job of reading. “Obama described his birth at Queen’s Medical Center in Hawaii …” That is a direct attribution. I remember this article being online before it was 'corrected.' Sorry to destroy your faith in Obama.

565 posted on 04/11/2010 4:24:55 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

I moved no goalposts. The only person lacking evidence is Obama at proving he was born in Hawaii. So far there is none.


But in America, no one has to prove their innocence. Under our system of laws, others have to prove guilt, beyond a reasonable doubt.
No one has come anywhere near close to doing that and there have been ZERO investigations or indictments for forgery, tampering or fraud.


567 posted on 04/11/2010 4:36:59 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: edge919
I moved no goalposts. The only person lacking evidence is Obama at proving he was born in Hawaii. So far there is none.

Non-sequitur. The immediate concern was whether Tammy Duckworth ever claimed Obama was born in Indonesia; all available evidence suggests she never did. But rather than addressing this matter, you have attempted to change the subject to the larger issue of Obama proving he was born in Hawaii.

Find his source for his claim that he read somewhere on the Interent that Obama was born in Indonesia.

Moving the goalposts. The article does not state that Tammy Duckworth herself claimed Obama was born in Indonesia, and has never stated such. The article's author is on record as saying that he did not obtain such information from Tammy Duckworth. Demanding even further evidence, namely the specific single website that the author looked at over four years ago, is an irrationally high standard of proof.

Friend, you need to do a better job of reading. “Obama described his birth at Queen’s Medical Center in Hawaii …” That is a direct attribution. I remember this article being online before it was 'corrected.'

Factual error. There is no direct attribution. The UPI article you're referring to does not identify what speech Obama supposedly made such a statement, nor does it quote him saying such, nor has anyone ever managed to produce any speech where Obama made such a quote. The article was corrected because the UPI's statement was an error.

If you can produce the referenced speech where Obama made such a claim, then I welcome you to do so. But like I said, no one has ever been able to identify this supposed speech or quote.

571 posted on 04/11/2010 5:14:27 PM PDT by LorenC
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