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To: edge919
I moved no goalposts. The only person lacking evidence is Obama at proving he was born in Hawaii. So far there is none.

Non-sequitur. The immediate concern was whether Tammy Duckworth ever claimed Obama was born in Indonesia; all available evidence suggests she never did. But rather than addressing this matter, you have attempted to change the subject to the larger issue of Obama proving he was born in Hawaii.

Find his source for his claim that he read somewhere on the Interent that Obama was born in Indonesia.

Moving the goalposts. The article does not state that Tammy Duckworth herself claimed Obama was born in Indonesia, and has never stated such. The article's author is on record as saying that he did not obtain such information from Tammy Duckworth. Demanding even further evidence, namely the specific single website that the author looked at over four years ago, is an irrationally high standard of proof.

Friend, you need to do a better job of reading. “Obama described his birth at Queen’s Medical Center in Hawaii …” That is a direct attribution. I remember this article being online before it was 'corrected.'

Factual error. There is no direct attribution. The UPI article you're referring to does not identify what speech Obama supposedly made such a statement, nor does it quote him saying such, nor has anyone ever managed to produce any speech where Obama made such a quote. The article was corrected because the UPI's statement was an error.

If you can produce the referenced speech where Obama made such a claim, then I welcome you to do so. But like I said, no one has ever been able to identify this supposed speech or quote.

571 posted on 04/11/2010 5:14:27 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC
Non-sequitur. The immediate concern was whether Tammy Duckworth ever claimed Obama was born in Indonesia; all available evidence suggests she never did.

That's not true. The original evidence suggests she did. The only reason this was changed was because skeptics found the story in trying to research Obama's backstory. This wasn't an error caught by the reporter nor was caught by the paper's editor nor was it caught by Tammy Duckworth and immediately corrected. And as I told you, the reporter's excuse doesn't wash.

But rather than addressing this matter, you have attempted to change the subject to the larger issue of Obama proving he was born in Hawaii.

I didn't change the subject. I told you that the Duckworth correction and Obama's claim of being born in two hospitals was never proven to be 'incorrect.' You're certainly trying to revise the story. Bad form, Mr. Rogers.

Moving the goalposts. The article does not state that Tammy Duckworth herself claimed Obama was born in Indonesia, and has never stated such. The article's author is on record as saying that he did not obtain such information from Tammy Duckworth. Demanding even further evidence, namely the specific single website that the author looked at over four years ago, is an irrationally high standard of proof.

This is how it was written:

"Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have "a kama'aina connection.

"Both were born outside the country - Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand - and graduated from high school in Honolulu - Punahou and McKinley, respectively."

The reporter says that Duckworth pointed out a connection between the two of them and then followed with what the connection was. Why would he go hunt the Internet to find connections?? That excuse makes no sense. And of course, there's nothing on the Internet outside of this story to claim Obama was born in Indonesia. Maybe she said Obama grew up in Indonesia and the reporter misunderstood her to say Obama was born there. That correction might have made sense. The excuse the reporter offers instead does not. More pathological lies.

There is no direct attribution.

Dude. You are wrong. "Obama described ..." You can't be more direct than that. Just admit you were wrong. The only reason this was 'corrected' was because this was discovered by skeptics who found yet another massive hole in Obama's backstory. These kinds of mismatching details are symptomatic of a pathological liar, except he got elected and now has the clout to go back and tell others they misquoted him or made factual errors and gullible faithers drink it up like a fresh batch of kool-aid.

579 posted on 04/11/2010 8:34:41 PM PDT by edge919
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