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To: Kaslin

One peaceful solution would be a return to federalism, where states simply refuse to comply with unconstitutional federal laws (as determined by the residents of individual states). A return to federalism would allow states like California and Illinois to continue their love affairs with socialism while allowing other states to live free.

I know this probably wouldn’t work, because leftists are not keen about letting other people live free. For one thing, there would probably be a mass exodus from left-leaning states to liberty loving ones. In the long run, they’d cut their own throats, but at least the rest of us would be spared from the totalitarian future they plan for themselves.

I do agree with Walter Williams that there’s a great divide between Americans who want government to do everything and those who simply want to be left alone. How is it even possible to still compromise with folks who are so diametrically opposed to the things we hold dear? Seriously! How can one even “reach across the aisle” to compromise with people who literally want to control every aspect of other people’s lives (except abortion)?

AND people fear social conservatives, growing angry if we merely mention the need for self-restraint (or Jesus). Some are so fearful of losing their porn, they fight as as though we are like the leftists who want to control what you drive, what you eat, where you live, how much you keep...


49 posted on 04/05/2010 5:57:36 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Governor Palin backs RINO extraordinaire Juan McPain (and that just sucks!))
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To: CitizenUSA
For one thing, there would probably be a mass exodus from left-leaning states to liberty loving ones.

This is EXACTLY what happened to North Carolina. Liberals moved in, took over and ruined the place. If we split, we need STRONG BORDERS and strict enforcement of immigration laws...

67 posted on 04/05/2010 6:23:03 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: CitizenUSA
A return to federalism would allow states like California and Illinois to continue their love affairs with socialism while allowing other states to live free.

I've been making this same argument.

For one thing, there would probably be a mass exodus from left-leaning states to liberty loving ones.

Presently, SCOTUS precedent makes it quite difficult for states to have laws that have the effect of discouraging people from moving in. This would have to change or be worked around.

Basically, liberty-loving Free states would have to find ways to make themselves unattractive or unaccessible to those who worship statism.

For the most part, this could be easily accomplished by offering only minimal government services, emphasizing open carry, scrapping federal-style government schools for a system based 100% on school vouchers, scrapping most public transportation unless truly wanted by the state's citizens, relying on private charity to address most needs of the state's poor (except for the generational welfarists that would have to be grandfathered in to remain on the federal dole), and allow citizens to vote to severely restrict abortion if they so choose.

Oh, and the welfare states could pass laws that for five years after you move out of state, you still owe that state certain taxes. Five years should be enough for the statists to either convert to freedom or decide to return to the socialist womb.

102 posted on 04/05/2010 7:49:02 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Next up: Forced public transportation:because it's not "affordable" unless we all have to use it.)
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To: CitizenUSA
I do agree with Walter Williams that there’s a great divide between Americans who want government to do everything and those who simply want to be left alone. How is it even possible to still compromise with folks who are so diametrically opposed to the things we hold dear? Seriously! How can one even “reach across the aisle” to compromise with people who literally want to control every aspect of other people’s lives (except abortion)?

A return to federalism is the only way to bridge this great divide. We are at a point in history where the argument for federalism has never been greater. It is not just about a philosophy of government. It is integral to preserving the union.

I hope to dear God that the Supreme Court Justices begin to understand that reality.

104 posted on 04/05/2010 7:51:40 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Next up: Forced public transportation:because it's not "affordable" unless we all have to use it.)
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To: CitizenUSA
For one thing, there would probably be a mass exodus from left-leaning states to liberty loving ones.

A mass exodus of productive people that way. A mass exodus of non-productive people the other way!

215 posted on 04/07/2010 9:43:12 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Flame away...)
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