Posted on 04/05/2010 3:13:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
I have almost no knowledge of ancient Hebrew but I would find it beyond belief that they had no way of referring to that part of the female anatomy.
Disagree. Although he partook of the flesh, he did not partake in the flesh nature.
His blood was uncontaminated. He was the only true innocent blood ever born.
The seed was divine (not Joseph's) and since blood of the baby does not mix with the blood of the mother, the Christ baby was born with sinless blood, not the blood of our fallen ancestors.
Are you saying that Jesus Christ WAS NOT fully man and fully God?
They did have a way, they called it the WOMB.
If we allow abortion for rape, we should allow it for everyone.
I’m not against abortion to punish a woman for having sex; I’m against abortion because it is murder.
I cannot condone abortion in the circumstance of rape and then be against it for everyone else. I’m not trying to punish the woman, I am trying to protect the baby. There is no difference either way, unless you are really trying to punish a woman for having sex.
Why not capital punishment for the woman who decides to have an abortion?
I agree. I just don’t know if there is any chance of ever getting that through.
“Life” means growth. Something that is not alive, does not grow. For instance - corpses, skeletons, shed skin, cut hair, furniture, rocks, etc.
As soon as the embryo divides the first time, it is alive, because it is growing. To me (maybe I’m a simpleton) it’s simple.
Growth = the presence of life.
Every adult or aged body is still growing - cells dividing, etc.
I am 100% pro-life regarding the slaughter of the unborn, which is the topic of this thread.
Here is a short story:
A girl, 19 years old or thereabouts (she was taking a lot of drugs and some alcohol at the time, so didn’t notice things like birthdays and January 1, etc) had sex with one young man she barely knew. Drugs and/or alcohol were involved. At that time, another young man she barely knew hopped on and performed sex with her - she was not ready for this, but didn’t fight or anything but I can tell you she wasn’t happy.
Rest of the story in a bit. BTW, this happened in late 1968 or early 1969.
I have no doubt about that, dear wagglebee!
It seems to me the culture of death has long realized that, before man can be attacked directly, God must first be removed. (E.g., killed; the death of God movement, etc.)
With God "gone," man is defenseless against the onslaught of his would-be destroyers which in our current cultural circumstances would seem to be ideological elites who falsely propose themselves as "saviors" of mankind, who propose themselves as the harbingers and soon-to-be deliverers of a perfect world to come, if we would just do what they tell us, the "hoi polloi," to do. Those who don't do as they are told are deeply suspect.
These world-beaters use the same old tired arguments and methods that have always failed in human history. But they don't let that discourage them. All they care about is "rhetorical plausibility" in the face of what they consider to be "dimwits," for so long as it takes to secure "unchallengeable" power for themselves and their cohorts. They know that, once securely in power, they can quell "dissent" in many, many highly effective ways....
If history is any guide; that is, if past tells us anything about future, many of those who are presently "most certainly alive" perish under such regimes.
Which takes elite contempt for the sanctity of Life and "ordinary" human beings in general to the next level of sheer evil, presaging horrors to come....
We live in interesting times, dear brother in Christ! Thank you so very much for your outstanding essay/post!
I’m agreeing with what the Bible says. My opinion isn’t worth a whole lot.
God is the father of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was a man who lived perfectly according to God’s will, died, was raised from the dead, and ascended to sit at God’s right hand.
If you have a problem with that then take it up with God.
You have still not answered my question, so I will ask it again. Are you saying that Jesus Christ WAS NOT fully man and fully God?
Alternatively, are you a Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness? I’m not asking to be confrontational, but it would explain your statements.
In that case stalagmites are alive.
The way inanimate objects “grow” is completely different from the way living bodies grow. Stalagtites are just piled on, they don’t have growth happening from within via cellular growth and metabolism. Heck, a pile of dirt “grows” when you toss shovelfuls of dirt on it!
Neither.
Put it this way, the Bible says there is but one God, and the man Christ Jesus is the mediator between men and God.
God is the father of Jesus Christ.
Jesus is the Son of God.
God is invisible
Jesus was seen.
God is not a man that he should lie nor the son of man that he should repent.
Jesus is a man and is repeatedly referred to as the son of man.
God has no beginning or end.
Jesus had genesis (the word used for birth) and died on the cross.
God cannot be tempted with evil.
Jesus was tempted in all ways.
You can say what you want but when you agree with the Bible you are right and when you disagree with it you are wrong.
Finishing my story.
So the girl in question became pregnant. Terrible situation. Listening to ill advice, and being ignorant and without any moral values or good people to help her, she got an abortion in a state which allowed abortions for “mental health” reasons.
She knew nothing whatsoever about how babies grow in the womb, stages of development, and no one counseled her against the abortion. She was lost, unhappy, sinful, and continued the life of immorality for another year or two until her life changed.
Some years later she met a woman around her age, who, coincidentally, had become pregnant (no marriage either) but had given birth and given the baby up for adoption. The girl who had had the abortion wished with all her heart that she had done the same thing.
Many years later, this woman who had aborted her first child (she subsequently had two children) felt, and still feels, pain and remorse - sheds tears of sorrow, that she killed a human being, and would have had three children walking the earth, instead of two.
I am telling this story because the conception, while not involving violent forcible rape, was not much different in the sense that there was no love, no commitment, not even (on part of it) any real voluntary action. Drugs and alcohol are often involved in rape. The child conceived was about as far from “wanted” or planned as any could be. But the violence of the abortion did not make this girl’s life easier, did not “solve” a problem; but on the contrary, made her life much, much worse.
I wish she had had sidewalk counseling, the story might have had a different ending. But it wasn’t around in those days.
Okay, you’re a non-Trinitarian, that explains your posts. Since this thread doesn’t actually have anything to do with Trinitarian beliefs, I will drop the subject.
That’s why I went the route I did.
Very sad story. But it has NOTHING to do with my posts. Undoubtedly this young woman waited until there was a detectable heartbeat before she decided to abort her pregnancy. So it is totally irrelevant to the points I have been making about the question of whether there is life before there is blood.
So considering that my points on this thread have been limited to the question of whether life begins at conception or at the first heartbeat, what does this story have to do with anything I have said so far?
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