Posted on 04/05/2010 3:13:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
I always find it interesting when people find a way to compare God or His Son to certain mormons in defense of mormon doctrines and practices, but this one pretty much takes the cake on the "man can become god" blasphemy.
Not only that, but forcing someone by law to bear the result of an injustice doesn’t ring well with me in a free country. If the girl in that situation had an illegal abortion of a rape/incest baby, what would we do, throw her in jail?
I haven’t even speculated the unintended consequences of liberals twisting such a law to their ends.
I hope she’d keep the baby, encourage her to do so, and provide her adoption options, but I wouldn’t make a law mandating her to do so.
How does one distinguish between a real rape and a "oops, I got pregnant the guy raped me" defense?
Even thought it would be very difficult to carry a child produced from a rape, you should always side on the side of life.
Also I might add the actual statistics on women getting pregnant from a rape is almost non-existent. I said almost, not never, but under 1% of rapes result in a pregnancy
Many of us are well aware that you claim to despise abortion, but oppose any laws to end the American Holocaust.
What is it that you and others like you say? Oh yeah, you want abortion to be "safe and legal and rare."
Hope you have your flame retardant undies on.
Some will call you pro abortion and a baby killer even though you could be 100% against abortion but because you fail to effectively impose your will on others then you will be a baby killer and pro abortion.
*every true purpose*?
Just what is that gobblity gook supposed to mean?
What exactly is *every true purpose*?
I find it interesting when someone types gibberish to me and expects me to decipher.
It sounds to me like you have a problem with Mormons.
Is that the case you Mormon hater?
If you aren’t 100% pro Mormon then you are simply anti Mormon, right?
Actually, they've been doing just that for over thirty years now. Rape and incest has been pretty much their only justification in the abortion debate for decades. They conveniently for get to add that rape and incest make up less than two percent of all abortions. Obviously the majority of rapes do not result in pregnancy, and many victims choose to carry the baby to term. I suspect, but don't know, that a few years later 100% of them report that the baby (not the rape of course) was the best thing that ever happened to them.
NARL and others used to wave wire hangers, scream about the all the teenagers who died in botched abortions (never significant figures in the abortion dabate). Now, they've so completely won that argument that (if you live in some states) your 13 year-old can walk in a clinic and get a free abortion and the people involved risk going to jail if they do the right thing and let you know.
I am really struggling with something about abortion...
I think abortion is wrong. Rape, incest... it is wrong to kill an innocent baby.
But what about the cases of horrifically damaged fetuses? I don’t mean like Trig Palin, I mean fetuses that have no brain or no spine or a rare disease something horrific like that which would mean a painful life and early death. If medical science can show these things... well, I am really caught there. That would mean a woman carrying and delivering a baby to term just to suffer and/or die? How do we deal with that?
It is just something that I struggle with and would appreciate opinions on.
I was wondering the same thing.
At what point would you euthanize your child?
Children are created by God and EACH ONE is created the way they are for a reason. He knows what He is doing and there is a purpose for all of His creation.
I had a cousin born with severe birth defects 27 years ago. He survived less than four days and his mother held him in her arms as he died. My aunt and uncle have said that they wouldn’t trade those few hours for anything in the world.
There are some on this thread that would prefer to force you at gunpoint and under strict supervision to force you to carry this to full term without regard to what anyone else thinks. They would make that choice for you under penalty of law.
You can't be truly pro life if you don't, don't you know?
Allowing a rape exception would equally likely encourage false reports of rape.
The issue is a tough one, with no really good answers. The notion that a child should have to suffer for the sins of a parent is hardly unknown in the Bible, and the sin of a rapist should be considered grave indeed. I am unaware of anything biblically that would require that a pregnant adulteress be allowed to live long enough to give birth; killing the adulteress before she bears a child avoids any risk that the child might challenge the legitimate heirs of the woman's husband. Religiously, I thus think there's room for argument. I really don't see any resolution to the problem of false accusations, though.
Purpose: noun
1. The object toward which one strives or for which something exists; an aim or a goal: "And ever those, who would enjoyment gain/Must find it in the purpose they pursue" (Sarah Josepha Hale).
2. A result or effect that is intended or desired; an intention. See Synonyms at intention.
3. Determination; resolution: He was a man of purpose.
4. The matter at hand; the point at issue.
In this case the purpose would be to discourage or eliminate abortion, as method of birth control for example, or a convenient way to avoid the consequences of ones choices and actions.
A phony purpose would be to use abortion as an issue to put over one's political agenda, which I suspect ninety percent of those who claim to be against abortion most vociferously are doing. You are a good example, I think. But that's only my opinion.
Hank
There is no practical difference between the value of a fetus and the value of an infant. If the fetus had no human value I would not oppose abortion. God is quoted that he knew someone BEFORE he was born. John the baptist leaped in the womb when he heard Mary's voice. God is very clear that the unborn are precious to Him and we should have no less respect and honor for the unborn than we do for an infant.
Even if you are an atheist, you must agree that a fetus is not merely a bunch of unorganized worthless flesh.
Are you asking me that as a personal question or a rhetorical one? Are we going to discuss theories/beliefs or is this going to turn into a argument? I would love to have a discussion about this, I truly struggle with it... but I won’t have a argument or or use personal attacks or turn it into anything personal.
The answer to that question is meant to be a personal one. It is one that I thought would help you with your own question because it helped me on this. I have no desire to argue it with you, only to give you what I found to be one of many helpful tools when I struggled with various abortion questions including the big one of imposing abortion restrictions on others.
I could share with you my changes on the issue over time but they would not be relevant to your own work on it.
You’re still talking in circles. What you posted did NOT answer the question.
Did it ever occur to you that people can be opposed to abortion for the simple fact that it’s a hideously barbaric method of execution?
If anyone killed a child or adult by hacking them apart limb from limb without anesthesia, or scalding them to death by dumping them in a vat of lye, you’d find out just how many people REALLY oppose the death penalty.
What political agenda would someone being advancing by using abortion as the issue?Instead of vaugue innuendos, why don’t you just out with it and tell us what you’re accusing us of?
thanks for the reply and please accept my apologies. I have seen ppl get blasted for having differing opinions. I do not ever want to go there.
As for me, personally, I don’t know. I would probably chose when I realized that the baby would not live long and would suffer. Then I would probably hate myself for it. But if I carried to term knowing that the baby would suffer before dying, I would hate myself for that too.
My grandson spent almost 6 week in PICU, twice on life support. While on life support he was on morphine. Yet, he still pulled away when the incompetent jr doctor tried to get a cannula into the vein he had just collapsed. They did many things to hurt that baby, due to their negligence and incompetence (I have a thread on the whole thing) ... and sitting there, wondering if he was in pain, if it would be long term pain, if he would recover or suffer before dying... really made me ponder a lot of things.
Watching other mothers ... one in particular, whose child had to have both legs, one arms and the finger on the remaining hand amputated, brain damage and organ failure... the boy wase hooked up to all sorts of things and kept on high level of pain meds the whole time I was there. I did not dare ask her, but I did wonder if she knew this would be the outcome would she still carry and birth. If, God forbid, I was in a position where I knew that carrying to term would result in that kind of pain and suffering... I don’t know what i would do. But I don’t know that I can see this type of thing the same as abortion as birth control.
Dunno, I just struggle with that.
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