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Army Report: GIs Outgunned in Afghanistan
Politics Daily ^
| 04/2/10
| David Wood
Posted on 04/03/2010 1:03:04 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
M-4s?
How about some B-52s?
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:10:14 PM PDT
by
exit82
(Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
To: Svartalfiar
“. The 7.62, on the other hand, starts falling out of the sky at a couple hundred yards.”
Which “7.62”? 7.62 NATO or 7.62x39? The two are completely different and the 7.62 NATO certainly doesn’t fall out of the sky in only a few hundred yards.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:11:07 PM PDT
by
Favor Center
(Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
To: neverdem
I’d suggest getting the Germans to put the 88 back into production. Return fire from that would discourage the snipers.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:17:21 PM PDT
by
PAR35
To: neverdem
While I agree with much of the report, let the author go out 300 yards and see what i can do to him at that range.
To: mamelukesabre
BS alert! Wind blows the 5.56 round all over the place, and beyond 300, the bullet loses too much steam to be massively damaging.
The reason Tubbs and Gallegher shoot the 5.56 is that these are service matches, requiring the use of a military service round.
The fact is, as someone pointed out up the line, the Mattie Mattel was another gift to the Leftists from Robert Macnamera. Riflemen shoot it because they have to, not because they want to.
The M-16 has gone through how many revisions, 4 or 5, and you want to do another? Odd how, for 50 years, the rifle never quite seems to do well, and one more "fix" will do the job...
Personal opinion: I was lucky enough to qualify with the M-14 in boot camp, and even over the years, with experience on the 16, FN, AK-47 and 74, the 14 was the best.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:24:25 PM PDT
by
jonascord
(We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
To: GreyFriar
Wrong. they were inspected and serviceable ones were mothballed. The Army has thousands in stock.
To: GreyFriar
Wrong. they were inspected and serviceable ones were mothballed. The Army has thousands in stock.
To: Mr Rogers
My contacts among the now senior NCOs tell me that the average taliban and jihadi use the "If Allah wills it," method of markmanship. The method is known among US police as "Spray and Pray."
It's odd that I don't hear these kinds of marksmanship complaints from the Corps...
I wonder why?
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:32:02 PM PDT
by
jonascord
(We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
To: mamelukesabre
762x39 is way easier to stop with a vest than 556nato. Yes, but the enemy is not wearing vests, so which is better in that case? I think if we had a President with the balls to back out of that stupid 100 year old treaty against using JHP, our ground troops would be in a much better position.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:36:49 PM PDT
by
Thane_Banquo
(Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
To: Gaffer
"3006 black tips" You know that's an AP round, and illegal, don't you?
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:37:58 PM PDT
by
jonascord
(We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
To: exit82
B-52s have proven difficult to deploy in the field. They are heavy, and most troops have difficulty carrying them on their backs. In addition, the ammunition can weigh thousands of pounds, and magazines large enough to hold the ammunition are expensive and prohibitively large.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:39:28 PM PDT
by
Thane_Banquo
(Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
To: JayVee
I have been saying for over forty years that the M-16/M-4 is a popgun. They don't call it the POODLE SHOOTER for nothing!
They need a few of these in every squad:
![](http://dummidumbwit.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/m1garand.jpg)
"In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised."
-- General George S. Patton Jr.
.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:40:18 PM PDT
by
Iron Munro
("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you." - Steinbeck)
To: onedoug
To: Thane_Banquo
Are there any Western bloc assault rifles (i.e. not machine guns) that fire the 7.26x52, besides the M14? The FAL. And BTW, it's 7.62x51 NATO, not 52.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:42:53 PM PDT
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: jonascord
“”3006 black tips”
Might be useful to have a few around. And since all guns will soon be illegal, who cares?
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:43:43 PM PDT
by
bigheadfred
(BE WHO YOU ARE. SAY WHAT YOU FEEL. Those who matter don't mind.Those who mind don't matter)
To: neverdem
How about a 338 Lapua or an RSAUM?
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:44:29 PM PDT
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: Favor Center
<<The question that needs to be asked is, why arent we using the most effective ammunition?
Treaty.>>
Previously it's been ruled that open tipped ammunition IS "legal" for wartime purposes.
Link
and...
Link
So why aren't we using the most effective ammunition?
To: Farmer Dean
M14s have been used extensively in the Army (see link) since the beginning of current conflicts.
They are also in use by Navy and Marines.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/03/army_m14_032210w/
Over the past 5-6 years I have seen a few articles about the ineffective stopping power of the 5.56mm round. I remember one where troops stated it was taking 2-3 rounds to put down the jihadis. Also remember another where some Special Ops troops were being taught to shoot at lower abdomen rather than center mass to increase chance of stopping their target quickly by hitting a hip or major artery.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:46:33 PM PDT
by
jim-x
(You cannot protect people from themselves.)
To: neverdem
My first question too....how many M14s still around?
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:47:00 PM PDT
by
wtc911
("How you gonna get down that hill?")
To: neverdem
Jeff Cooper was predicting this twenty years ago.
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posted on
04/03/2010 3:48:13 PM PDT
by
Hardastarboard
(Joe McCarthy was right. He was just early.)
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