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A Gun Ban By Any Other Name...
FOXNews.com ^ | March 30, 2010 | John Lott

Posted on 03/31/2010 9:51:55 AM PDT by neverdem

Gun control laws divert money from law enforcement activities that work. The thousands of hours spent by police to register guns are time that police could have put to solving crimes. That diversion of resources is the real threat to public safety.

On Friday, a federal District Court judge tried to indirectly reinstate the D.C. handgun ban. Judge Ricardo Urbina, a Clinton appointee, wants to make it so difficult for people living in DC to use a handgun defensively that few will get one.

Last September, a Washington Post reporter, Christian Davenport, found out just how difficult it still is to get a handgun in D.C. even after the Supreme Court struck down the city's handgun ban. Excluding the price of the gun, the reporter spent $558.69 in various fees to get through the approval process. But that was only part of the cost. It took him "a total of 15 hours 50 minutes, four trips to the Metropolitan Police Department, two background checks, a set of fingerprints, a five-hour class and a 20-question multiple-choice exam."

So when do these types of regulations constitute just as much of a ban on handguns as an outright ban? A dollar tax solely on newspapers would clearly be struck down as unconstitutional. The power to regulate can destroy both the First and Second Amendments. Despite the costs, about a thousand people may have gotten handgun permits. That is only about 0.2 percent of adults living in D.C. The big change from the 2008 Heller decision might have simply been that D.C. law now requires that gun owners (primarily those owning long guns) only have to store their guns locked and unloaded if minors might have access to them. And it is probably this change that helps explain why D.C.'s murder rate fell by...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackrobedtyrants; donttreadonme; guncontrol; johnlott; judicialtyranny; lping; ricardourbina; shallnotbeinfringed; tyranny; urbina
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Thank you, Mr. Lott.
1 posted on 03/31/2010 9:51:55 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Can you imagine what would have happened if our forefathers had to go through all this when it came time to fight the British?


2 posted on 03/31/2010 9:57:23 AM PDT by RC2
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To: neverdem

” The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed..”

Which part of that statement don’t they understand? I am sure if someone in DC wanted to speak freely of this outrage they should be fingerprinted twice, pay $200 in fees and can only redress grievances in their home...right?


3 posted on 03/31/2010 9:59:55 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: neverdem
Judge Ricardo Urbina, a Clinton appointee, wants to make it so difficult for people living in DC to use a handgun defensively that few will get one.

He's trying to make DC into New Jersey?

4 posted on 03/31/2010 10:06:40 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: mikelets456

Nobody has made a viable assertion of “shall not be infringed” in court.


5 posted on 03/31/2010 10:08:03 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: JimRed

>>He’s trying to make DC into New Jersey?<<<

It’s not that hard to get a gun in NJ legally. It just takes a long time to get your purchaser ID and pistol permits.

If you’re a shooter, come join us here: http://www.njgunforums.com/forums/index.php


6 posted on 03/31/2010 10:22:52 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: ctdonath2

Seems like it should be pretty much self explanatory.

“Shall not be infringed.”

Not “Okay to be infringed by laws that unreasonable people deem to be reasonable.”


7 posted on 03/31/2010 10:32:49 AM PDT by chris37
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To: RC2

Well if you remember, the colonists were trying to work out issues i.e., taxation without representation until General Gage sent out 700 British Lobsterbacks to take the gunpowder from the people of Lexington and Colcord. Gen. Gage had been instructed by King George III to disarm the people! This was the Crown’s attempt on gun control....that was the final straw to attempt a reconcilation! Even then colonist General Parker told his 70 men to “wait until fired upon, but if it is to begin, let it begin here!”

Still to this day no one knows which side fired the first shot! The shot heard ‘round the world!


8 posted on 03/31/2010 10:41:13 AM PDT by missanne (That's all I can stands and I can't stands no more?? This is one of those days!)
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To: Malsua
It’s not that hard to get a gun in NJ legally. It just takes a long time to get your purchaser ID and pistol permits.

Unless you are "connected" you can forget about a carry permit. A defensive tool is useless if you have to leave it at home.

9 posted on 03/31/2010 10:49:59 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Malsua
It’s not that hard to get a gun in NJ legally. It just takes a long time to get your purchaser ID and pistol permits.

You're kidding, right? 3-6 months for the FID, then 6-12 weeks for pistol permits after that is "not that hard?" Having to get permission from a bureaucrat even before you can get to the point of having a background check so you can make a legal purchase is "not that hard?"

What's wrong with: "I'll take that one"

I dealt with NJ's nonsense for all too long and got desensitized to it. I got out and now can walk into a store and walk out with what I want in under 10 minutes and without having to get prior clearance.

Don't believe the BS they're feeding you in NJ. It is "that hard", it is intrusive and it doesn't serve any purpose other than to keep potential law abiding buyers out of the system by blocking them with an oppressive bureaucracy.

10 posted on 03/31/2010 10:55:45 AM PDT by grady ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading." - Unknown)
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To: RC2

Assuming I know exactly what I want, I can usually go in and be out in about 30 minutes, even with a handgun. If it takes longer than that, there has to be some unconstitutional law that’s in the way.


11 posted on 03/31/2010 11:05:40 AM PDT by Dexter Morgan (Everyone hides who they are.)
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To: grady
You're kidding, right?

What part of "it takes a long time" did you not understand? I don't like it, I think it's a complete waste of time. It's not that hard.

I come from a free state, so it's specially galling to me and don't think I buy any nonsense. I know full well all the steps required. It really is 2 forms, fingerprinting and waiting. That's it. Time to get permits depends on the town. My town is 3 weeks for pistol permits.

The whole procedures sucks donkey balls but it's NOT HARD, it's just time consuming.

12 posted on 03/31/2010 11:22:13 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: JimRed
Unless you are "connected" you can forget about a carry permit. A defensive tool is useless if you have to leave it at home.

I agree, that's why I support the reps and the various efforts to get carry in NJ and I donate to ANJRPC who lobbies in Trenton. The state is "may issue", but it's really no issue. No different than Illinois or Wisconsin.

13 posted on 03/31/2010 11:24:19 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: neverdem

Way too much money, time and hoops to jump through to exercise something that is very simply enumerated in the Second Amendment...

Those that do not understand its simple concept, I have no use for them...


14 posted on 03/31/2010 11:30:15 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: Malsua

Until I can bring my belt-feds up there....its hard.


15 posted on 03/31/2010 11:42:24 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
16 posted on 03/31/2010 11:46:07 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: RC2
Can you imagine what would have happened if our forefathers had to go through all this when it came time to fight the British?

"Excuse me a sec, Mr. Redcoat -- I'm having trouble getting the trigger lock off my gun"

17 posted on 03/31/2010 12:01:33 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: mikelets456
Which part of that statement don’t they understand?

The well-regulated militia part. They don't understand the concept of original intent. The Founders didn't mean for it to be a government-controlled force; though they did intend for towns and governors to summon the militia if need be. Well-regulated in their time meant well-drilled and practiced. Government today doesn't want any of that.

18 posted on 03/31/2010 12:15:41 PM PDT by wastedyears (The essence of training is to allow error without consequence.)
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To: neverdem
Palin/Lott for 2012. Unless Nugent wants to run as Veep...

Yes. I'm serious.

19 posted on 03/31/2010 12:36:04 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: ctdonath2

They’ve all been “viable”. It’s the courts bowing to political ideology, instead of history and logic, that has kept things so screwed up for so long.


20 posted on 03/31/2010 12:37:06 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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