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From 1790 until 1990 there were only a few cases of successful peaceful secession. Belgium seceded from the Netherlands in 1830; Norway from Sweden in 1905; and Singapore from the Malaysian Federation in 1965. All were negotiated peacefully. But suddenly after 1990, the number of successful peaceful secessions surged. Fifteen republics seceded from the Soviet Union. A Czech and a Slovak republic were created out of Czechoslovakia through secession. With the exception of the secession of Eritrea from Ethiopia, all the successful secessions since 1990 occurred without violent resistance from the respective central governments.

And what is the one common feature in all those incidents? The partition was done with the agreement of both sides of the issue and after negotiations which settled all possible areas of disagreement before the separation. There is no reason why secession, should it come to the U.S., shouldn't be accomplished in the same peaceful manner so long as it is done with agreement of both sides, those leaving and those staying.

And what is the one common feature in all those incidents? The partition was done with the agreement of both sides of the issue and after negotiations which settled all possible areas of disagreement before the separation

If memory serves (and it does), the United States supported the unilateral secession of Kosovo a couple of years ago.

There is no reason why secession, should it come to the U.S., shouldn't be accomplished in the same peaceful manner so long as it is done with agreement of both sides, those leaving and those staying.

I hope it does not come to that, but do you suupose it could be agreed upon by both sides here? If it did, what would stop the liberal side from becoming more conservative, and vice versa? If this happens, would they all be back to square one?

And what is the one common feature in all those incidents? The partition was done with the agreement of both sides of the issue and after negotiations which settled all possible areas of disagreement before the separation. There is no reason why secession, should it come to the U.S., shouldn't be accomplished in the same peaceful manner so long as it is done with agreement of both sides, those leaving and those staying.

Exactly. There are plenty of reasons why liberals should not hate secession. The remaining votes in Washington would be far more leftist, there would be no more Bushes in the White House, they divest themselves of some troubled areas of the country, millions off the welfare rolls, etc.

AND, if done peacefully, the seceding nation would likely have to pay Washington for the military bases, federal park land, etc. they would be taking over - thus helping Washington pay down their debt. Viewed properly, it's a win-win other than for tyrants whose only interest is in enslaving the most number of people.

But I strongly believe that the country which practices free market policies will eventually triumph and my fear is that if the U.S. turns into a socialist state, there will be no "free" nation left once America capitulates.