Posted on 03/31/2010 5:25:00 AM PDT by marktwain
I have argued for exactly that.
Either the price has been paid or it hasn't, but once it is paid then all rights should be automatically restored.
First off, how many of those every get off parole or probation?
Second, what makes you think they are unarmed at any point after their release from prison or jail?
>The intent of this bill is that of restoring the gun rights of non-violent felons who have paid their dues to society.
Questions: If they have “paid their dues to society” why should ANY of their rights be abridged at all? Voting, guns, etc? If “paying the debt” legally speaking is the same as paying your grocery bill, why should they continue to pay after they have “paid their balance”? If looked at in that sense, doesn’t it violate the “wheel of servitude” as well as the 4th Amendment’s applicability of rights to citizens?
>If this bill passes, these ex-felons will be allowed to purchase and carry firearms and even to obtain concealed carry permits.
And? Why is that wrong? ...maybe if you endorse the death penalty for things like murder and rape there wouldn’t be “violent felons” on the streets.
>>Once a man is done with his sentence and has met the conditions of his parole he should no longer be denied the rights bestowed on all Americans.
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>Not to quibble my good man, but Rights are bestowed on all persons not just Americans.
Those would be human rights: things like self-defense [even w/ firearms], sanctity of free-will, etc. There are also Rights of the Citizen, which are things like voting.
>Im sorry, but once you commit a felony I do hold you to a higher standard.
What of those who have committed the ‘felony’ of committing misdemeanors? {I.E. the ‘upgrade’ of misdemeanors to felony.}
If Justice is blind then, once you have ‘wiped the slate clean,’ you should be treated like EVERY other person.
I agree that the "dumbing down" of felonies is a matter of serious concern and that's why I support this bill.
That post needs one of those big BS Meters!
Parole needs to be abolished. All non-incarcerated citizens should be able to own, buy and carry firearms regardless of their history. If they can’t be trusted then they shouldn’t be free.
>>What of those who have committed the felony of committing misdemeanors?
>That is an excellent point about a misdemeanor that becomes a felony when it is a “second offense”.
Furthermore: What if the misdemeanor was, itself, invalid?
Consider the following state statute:
http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=query&iid=66b036fd.eebbfe6.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2730-7-2.4%27%5D
Now, read that State’s Constitution regarding both the Right to keep and bear arms, and inherent [human] rights:
http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll/nmsa1978/1/a/16?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0
http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll/nmsa1978/1/a/12?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0
Please tell me how you can justify the existence of the state stature.
On that same vein, what of the barring of the purchase of firearms of people [men] who are _ACCUSED_ of “domestic violence?”
Marktwain
Thank you for your strong pro position on the right to keep and bear arms. However: This is a good bill. I support it.
This bill has nothing to due with arming felons. Both federal and Alaska state law have firearm possession restorative legal vehicles for ex offenders. They always have. This was the true intent of both congress and our legislators. HB408 simply corrects federal intrusion on state law. US supreme court split decision (6-3) in Caron vs US imposes the all or nothing clause to restoration. Alaskan ex offenders already can posses all types of firearms that anyone else can. However concealment is limited to on your own land or engaged in outdoor activity requiring protection. The FBI has wrongfully confused concealment with possession.
In Alaska’s bush firearm possession is necessary to feed your family and protect yourself from wildlife. What difference does it make if your coat is over your firearm or not. Never in history has a underclass of people been so maligned that their very lives are deemed worthless as American ex offenders. A dept paid is just that. As it now stands even a person wrongfully convicted, and receiving a full state pardon is banned from firearm possession by federal law. Interestingly a federal pardon restores all firearm rights.
It is the arcane rulings from the bench in case law that obscures, distorts and corrupts the intent of our elected lawmakers. This Alice in wonderland approach to something so important needs to be rectified.
The slippery slope effect is in full play here. Anti gunners are hard at work. First ban ex offenders, then those caught up in domestic violence, then what? Aggressive drivers, those that raise their voice, those that discipline their children, those with sleep apnea, those that don’t agree with the government... Be careful what you seek.
NRA position from link below:
www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/get_documents.asp?session=26&docid=6172
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