Posted on 03/25/2010 10:08:06 AM PDT by Colofornian
There’s just not very many crimes you sit around and like to think yourself the victim of; that’s just makes it all the more odd
The underlying numbers & % is public record; if I get time today, I'll extract it from comparable states for you. But the Utah media has already easily made it available as it pertains to Utah:
The Salt Lake Trib ran a graph with its Oct. 26, 2009 article giving an "underlying number" breakdown: Sexual misconduct persistent in Utah schools. It said that of the 315 Utah educators losing their licenses between 1992-2009, 208 of them (67%) were for reasons of "sexual misconduct."
Over an 18-year period, that's 11.7 educator-perverts per year in Utah losing their licenses.. Thanks to a Spring 2000 article in the Deseret News (April 17-18, 2000), Sex tops teacher-misconduct list produced by AP, we know the averages, though, tell a different story when you start to telescope them.
That Des News article says: "Utah...In the past eight years [1992-1999], 69 educators have lost their teaching licenses for sexual misconduct."
1990s average for Utah, starting 1992: 8.7 per yr. avg. re: educators losing their license for sexual misconduct [Underlying number: 69]
2000s average for Utah -- 2000-2009: 13.9 per yr. avg. re: [Underlying number: 139]
Increase in Utah when measuring 2000-2009 vs. 1992-1999: 60%
What's more, it would seem that Utah educators, of all teachers, have the highest time constraints upon them -- time constraints that you'd think would otherwise leave them less available to get tangled within these kind of abuse situations:
Utah has highest student to teacher ratio. Utah ranks last in the country when it comes to student to teacher ratio -- again. According to a National Center for Education Statistics report released Tuesday, Utah, on average, had about 23.5 students per teacher in 2007-2008, the highest ratio in the nation. Here are some more interesting numbers from that report: -- The average ratio nationwide was 15.8 students per teacher. - The ratio in Utah primary schools was 23.3 students per teacher. -- The ratio in Utah middle schools was 24.1 students per teacher. — The ratio in Utah high schools was 23.8. Source: Utah has highest student to teacher ratio
I would contend that Utah educators are probably the hardest-working teachers in the country! They are busier than the rest! If anything this "busy-ness" should translate into one of the lower "sexual abuse" rates -- given that a lot of these cases involve so much "extracurricular" relationships. Instead, we find the oppposite. Why? What's prominent in the Utah culture contributing to this?
Don’t forget Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo!
Has any one calculated the odds of a male teenager getting lucky with a female teacher in the Utah public school system based on the numbers presented?
Detention will never be the same for this young man!
You'd have to define "comparable state" along with that data.
You may have trouble find anything comparable since states have very different standards. For example:
Criminal teachers in Hawaii rarely lose licenses, study finds
No teachers in Hawaii have lost their licenses for disciplinary reasons since 2001 not even those who were imprisoned for criminal offenses like child molestation and drug abuse.
Although misbehaving teachers can get fired, Hawaii authorities haven't revoked their licenses, meaning there's little to stop these teachers from getting jobs elsewhere.
Here's a link to the original AP story that much of this reporting is based on (with a bit on the numbers and methodology):
Thousands of teachers cited for sex misconduct
Still, your reason for posting this has nothing to do with teacher sex abuse, does it?
Ah!
I get it!
Since it was the FIRST picture; I just ASSUMED...
...and the rest is history.
(What IS it with HELPER anyway?)
I’ve been to Helper; seen the outdoor mining muesuem, went up in the hills toward Standardville, the Ghost town.
I wonder if they ever recovered the bodies of the folks who died in the coal mine disaster of a few years ago...
;^)
Son; what is WRONG with you??
This is the THIRD time this week you've been in detention!
Sorry dad; I just can't help myself.
Why NOT? You ARE going to school in Helper!
It's my teacher. Every time I help her...
What happens if he gets detained by a hot female cop? What do you think he is going to be expecting from her when she detains him!?!?!?!
Yes, some loopholes do exist in various states for various reasons...for example, some educators have gotten around it by pleading "no contest" to these charges...apparently some states -- like VA -- in the past have not always pinpointed the exact reason for losing their licenses...and you mentioned Hawaii's lack of standards.
But even where reporting problems exist, in some of these states -- like VA -- we can still track stats -- and even assuming the "worst case" -- the Virginian average wasn't even close to Utah!
Utah's average for 2001-2005 was about a dozen educators losing their licenses for sexual misconduct per year (roughly 70 cases);
by comparison, Virginia had anywhere from 6-19 total for those same years...so even a "worst case" eval = avg. of under 4 per year for that reason -- and may have been a lot less! [Source: Washington Times, Oct. 21, 2007: Allee was one of six [Virginia] educators who lost their state teaching licenses between 2001 and 2005 because of confirmed sexual abuse against students, according to records released by the state Department of Education. Thirteen other teachers' licenses were revoked, for cases that might have involved sexual abuse, but state records didn't specify. Six teachers lost their licenses for non-sexual misconduct.]
Your extrapolation of loopholes, which I further fleshed out...for example...
...poor reporting (VA),
...lack of standards (Hawaii),
...and others like CA (educators pleading "no contest" -- see bottom of this post for more info on that)...
...into applying to ALL 49 other states as having "trouble find[ing] anything comparable..." is a phony, ludicrous apologetic on behalf of sex perps masquerading as educators.
Since your comments don't seem to side in sympathy with these victims, good job reinforcing the actions of these perps!
IOW, by all means, mention existing loopholes like Hawaii & other states. Because not tracking these things is certainly part of the problem in protecting students. But to then conclude that NOTHING "comparable" is available is a joke -- and none of these victims are laughing!!!
I did a simple cursory exam...nothing in-depth...and still came up with the following state comparisons besides the VA example above...And I didn't exclude states if their rates were similar to Utah -- to just make Utah standout. (See MI & PA below)
* AP's study showed 44 in WI over a 5-year period (avg. 9 per year) http://www.edweek.org/login.html?source=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2007/10/24/09ap-abuse.h27.html&destination=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2007/10/24/09ap-abuse.h27.html&levelId=2100
* A 2004 MA article says: ...the number of teachers disciplined for sexual misconduct accounts for less than 1 percent of the state's 72,000 public school teachers. [http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/08/24/top_official_targets_abuse_by_educators/]
* Michigan averaged 13.4 per year between 1986-2004 (254)[Detroit News, "State Fails to Stop Teacher Abuse" http://dioceseofbrooklyn.org/uploadedFiles/News_and_Information/Public_Policy/Statute%20White%20Paper.pdf , p. 9]
* PA was worse than Utah, averaging 15 per yr between 1995-1998 http://www.nospank.net/zemel.htm
AP launched a major national investigation for years 2001-2005 and found the following the major "threshold" as being the "worst states" were those states that had double-digit perps per year (note the bold below which mentions the "50" number in a state): A total of 2,570 educators nationwide were punished for sexual misconduct from 2001 to 2005, representing about a quarter of all educator misconduct cases in that time period. The total number of times an action was taken against a teacher's license for sexual misconduct was 2,625 (more than 50 teachers lost licenses in more than one state). Licenses were revoked in 1,636 of the cases; surrendered in 440 cases; suspended in 376 cases; and denied in 108 cases. Other punishments were handed out in the remainder of the cases. Students were clearly identified as victims in at least 1,467 of the sexual misconduct cases. The victim was a young person, a category including students, unidentified youths, family members and neighbors, in at least 1,801 cases. There were criminal convictions in at least 1,390, or 54%, of the cases. Source: Associated Press (Oct 21, 2007) http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/29415519.html)
What's of "interest" is that the loss of a teacher's license seemed to prevail much more than a criminal conviction (the latter being only 54% of those cases).
To partially reaffirm your "loophole" argument, I mentioned CA: In California, one proposal would close a loophole that bars the teacher credentialing commission from revealing the reason teachers lose their licenses if they plead no contest to an offense. Under no contest pleas, defendants are punished as if they pleaded guilty, but retain the right to challenge the charges against them in lawsuits and other proceedings. Such deals have meant public records were unclear about why educator licenses were sanctioned in dozens of cases, the AP found. "You should not be able to plead no contest to a sex offense just so you can continue teaching," said state Sen. Bob Margett. The measure means teachers who plead no contest would immediately lose their license, and the reason for the revocation would be public record. (CBS News, "States Take Aim At Abusive Teachers," Jan. 27, 2008)
(Yeah, well, why don't you just call yourself "Creepy" then & leave it as a permanent tagline...the rest of us will just consider you a vicarious, virtual "victim" who by implication, encourages other perps out there in the real world to victimize their real, intended victims; such a tagline "ID" will serve as our "registration process" so that we can all keep proper tabs of you)
There’s just not very many crimes you sit around and like to think yourself the victim of; that’s just makes it all the more odd
Exactly
"Lucky"??? -- you call the manipulation & exploitation of minors by those in an authoritative position of trust a matter of being "lucky?"
Your verbal perversion of the language about real-life perversions competes with the headline writer who works for SL Trib: Boy says detention supervisor performed sex acts on him
So now we have Utah journalists labeling the sexual abuse of minors by educators as if it was part of a teacher "performance" review???
Come on, Trib. A "performance" as a description of this? Really?
(The only worst standard journalist usage of the word "perform" is when they apply it all the time to describe the limb-by-limb dismemberment of pre-born babies...as if that, too, was a "performance" by the slice-and-dice abortion slaughterer).
I’m not a creep...not even close. I’m a law-abiding, 100% honest, hard working conservative and I have nothing to apologize for.
To suggest I’d ever “encourage” that type of behavior toward a young woman is very insulting to me. I’d be the first to defend against it. Save the lectures for the real creeps.
I was just joking around but in all seriousness keep in mind that ancient Greece made homosexuality between the teacher and student a very normal thing. The Left is working on taking us back to that and worse!
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