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Vanity: Time to Dust Off Supreme Court Precedence Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Co. 259 U.S. 20 (1922)
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Posted on 03/23/2010 9:46:46 PM PDT by jsdjason

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1 posted on 03/23/2010 9:46:48 PM PDT by jsdjason
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To: jsdjason

Posts like this are what made FR the powerhouse it is today. Nice!


2 posted on 03/23/2010 9:49:33 PM PDT by Binstence (Live Freep or Die)
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To: jsdjason

I am ridiculously hopeful about all this.

Somehow I just can’t believe America is going to fall this far, this fast.

Perhaps I am a fool and will have mud on the face soon. But I really the DC judge and the Supreme Court will do the right, the only right thing.


3 posted on 03/23/2010 9:52:00 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: jsdjason

Self tag for reference tomorrow when I’m awake and alert enough to read SCOTUS cases.


4 posted on 03/23/2010 9:52:19 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: jsdjason

Can you forward that to the VA and Florida AG offices?


5 posted on 03/23/2010 9:52:31 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: jsdjason

BTTT


6 posted on 03/23/2010 9:52:33 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Binstence

This case should be a powerful weapon for McCollum. This was an 8-1 decision and written beautifully by Chief Justice Taft. If this was good enough for Oliver Wendell Holmes, one of the greatest jurists in our history, it’s good enough for me.


7 posted on 03/23/2010 9:53:37 PM PDT by jsdjason
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To: jsdjason

Thanks for this post.


8 posted on 03/23/2010 9:53:39 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: holdonnow

Ping.


9 posted on 03/23/2010 9:54:44 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: jsdjason

And without seeing this case O’Reilly called this exact point tonight...inflicting a penalty but calling it a tax is a ruse to skirt the law.


10 posted on 03/23/2010 9:55:28 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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Let me ask you, what is to stop them from just amending the penalty into a tax, and then issuing a tax credit equal to the tax to all who purchase health insurance?

Granted they would have to force EVERYONE to file and the poorest to actually pay them, but wouldn’t that be an out?


11 posted on 03/23/2010 9:55:59 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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I’m positive they are aware of it. I just did a quick LexisNexis search and it popped up near the top of my query, which was “the validity of taxes as regulation.”

But anyways, I shepardized and it has never been overturned, so it is good law, but has not been cited to that often in other cases. I think that is only true because we have not had many cases like that Bailey or like the one coming through the courts now. We are truly in uncharted territory, as even Bailey is not directly on point. In Bailey, they were trying to regulate child labor through a tax. Here they are trying to regulate mere existence as a U.S. citizen. This case should not even be close in my eyes.


12 posted on 03/23/2010 9:57:23 PM PDT by jsdjason
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To: Domandred
Okay I cheated and looked.

"An act of Congress which clearly, on its face, is designed to penalize, and thereby to discourage or suppress, conduct the regulation of which is reserved by the Constitution exclusively to the States, cannot be sustained under the federal taxing power by calling the penalty a tax."

Yea isn't that the "tax" for not purchasing insurance?

13 posted on 03/23/2010 9:57:31 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: jsdjason

Very interesing, however I don’t know how much faith I have in this current court, to get it right.


14 posted on 03/23/2010 9:59:36 PM PDT by jazzo (Resistance is Futile)
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To: monkeyshine

USUAL DISCLAIMER: I’m not an attorney...yet. But to answer your question, I think this is pretty much what they are doing now. They are disguising a penalty for not buying insurance by calling it a “tax” that the IRS will collect if you don’t buy. The “tax” is nothing more than a penalty. But the most perverse thing about all this is they are penalizing not child labor, not sex offenders, no nothing like that, they are penalizing you for being a citizen. Even illegals don’t have to pay the “tax.”


15 posted on 03/23/2010 10:00:54 PM PDT by jsdjason
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To: jsdjason

Gotta love ‘Big Bill’ Taft!!!


16 posted on 03/23/2010 10:01:04 PM PDT by jazzo (Resistance is Futile)
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To: Domandred

>regulation of which is reserved by the Constitution exclusively to the States<

have a cite for that?


17 posted on 03/23/2010 10:03:51 PM PDT by element92
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To: jsdjason

bttt


18 posted on 03/23/2010 10:05:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: jsdjason

Sadly, this was among many other cases that have been left stranded on the quicksand shores of precedent superceded by the so-called New Deal cases.


19 posted on 03/23/2010 10:06:25 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: jsdjason

Dissenter was a ‘Wilson’ man, go figure.


20 posted on 03/23/2010 10:07:12 PM PDT by jazzo (Resistance is Futile)
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