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ObamaCare Can Be Repealed (Obamacare is today's Intolerable Act)
RealClearPolitics ^ | 3/23/2010 | Edwin Feulner

Posted on 03/23/2010 12:07:05 PM PDT by mojito

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To: HiTech RedNeck
Yeah, I knew I'd get trashed for expressing feelings and thoughts about something that could happen to anyone of us in the future and what I considered pretty cold......but I had never realized before how it can impact someone's life that can't get insurance...they shoudl at least let them in but charge a higher premium...but, I realize business is business and the government should stay the hell out of someone else's business. I just wanted to express my 'feelings' over it. God Forgive me.
41 posted on 03/23/2010 12:31:24 PM PDT by Fawn (Exterminate Pitbulls)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Then why was that in the bill?


42 posted on 03/23/2010 12:32:13 PM PDT by Fawn (Exterminate Pitbulls)
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To: Fawn
Well, I want to answer your concerns seriously, because the issue you raise is not trivial.

One of the things that Republicans proposed was that private insurance be sold to individuals across state lines. Basically, you get a health insurance policy for yourself and no matter where you work or where you live, you can keep that policy. The Democrats rejected that.

The whole ideas that you get health insurance as a benefit tied to your current job comes from the Democrats (FDR). It's a bad idea for precisely the problem you mention. Lose your job, lose your insurance. If you get sick while looking for another job, your next employer may decide not to provide health insurance for you -- you're already sick, so it would be a foolish business decision.

It's a real problem. The Republicans have the solution. The Democrats block the solution and perpetuate the problem.

43 posted on 03/23/2010 12:33:23 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I do not want the Union to be maintained. I want the US to break up. I support secession.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

The moral is, no option can be looked at in isolation but only compared to others.


44 posted on 03/23/2010 12:33:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

That’s nice that they worked with her for a payment plan....


45 posted on 03/23/2010 12:33:59 PM PDT by Fawn (Exterminate Pitbulls)
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To: Fawn

If feelings could make things be, we’d gladly give you the formula and we would all live in a self generated utopia.


46 posted on 03/23/2010 12:34:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Fawn

Many doctors will, if you are in tight straits.


47 posted on 03/23/2010 12:35:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: ClearCase_guy

Thank you for your serious and polite response. Now, what is this about state lines?? Aetna is one company that is country wide....how is this state limited?


48 posted on 03/23/2010 12:36:22 PM PDT by Fawn (Exterminate Pitbulls)
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To: Fawn

Most Doctors and Hospitals do that for people who can’t get insurance. That’s the point.

If you have a pre-existing condition now, Doctors and Hospitals are more likely to work with you.

When everyone has Government run “insurance”, Doctors and Hospitals will be prevented by law for making specials deals with those that need financial help.


49 posted on 03/23/2010 12:37:16 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The gummit is more likely to kick granny under the bus

Exactly right. Even the poor who will be getting the freebies aren't going to get quality care. Do you think the poor woman collecting welfare is going to get a top notch specialist if she gets cancer? She'll be lucky to get a nurse's assistant to look at her. Barry is promising what he cannot deliver.

50 posted on 03/23/2010 12:37:59 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Fawn

Much of the time the insurance doesn’t reject outright, they just charge more and have a one-year exclusion on the condition.


51 posted on 03/23/2010 12:39:27 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Fawn
Don't put words in mine: I'm not in favor of “kicking the weak to the curb.” But private health insurance isn't a charity; or do you believe that as a private business they should no longer be able to make their own business decisions or earn a profit?

And you're tremendously naive if you think that putting bureaucrats in charge of your healthcare decisions is going to result in some wonderful panacea. Soon those same bureaucrats will be denying care far more ruthlessly and far more capriciously than any health insurer.

52 posted on 03/23/2010 12:39:40 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Fawn

The business about not crossing state lines is a legacy of existing law. It did have the virtue of not raising the question of whether the government can do what it just tried to do. Now I buy my auto and homeowner’s insurance from Iowa; but I could buy it from Connecticut or Florida if I wanted. That gives me more choices bidding for my business than if I could only buy it from my residential state of Illinois.


53 posted on 03/23/2010 12:40:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HerrBlucher

Why did you stop?


54 posted on 03/23/2010 12:41:26 PM PDT by Reagan69 (WHEN THEY COME FOR YOUR GUNS, GIVE THEM THE AMMO FIRST.!)
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To: Fawn
I believe the company can do business in more than one state, but the specifics of the policies that can be offered are determined, in part, by the state one resides in.

If you find a fantastic policy in Nebraska, you have to reside in Nebraska to take advantage of it. The policy you will be offered where you live is not likely to be quite so wonderful. And if you move to Nebraska, you will be changing to a new policy (even if you stay with Aetna) and will be re-evaluated. If Aetna in Florida covers your diabetes, but you move to Nebraska, Aetna in Nebraska may decide not to cover you.

Crossing state lines changes things.

55 posted on 03/23/2010 12:41:57 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I do not want the Union to be maintained. I want the US to break up. I support secession.)
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To: RipSawyer

“That’s why they call it insurance! If you could wait until you have cancer to go and buy health insurance they would call it capitulation. Do you think you should be able to buy homeowner’s insurance after the fire has already burned half your house? Should you be able to wait until you cause a wreck before you buy liability insurance on your car? Should you be able to buy life insurance on Grandma while she is in the hearse?”

Well put.


56 posted on 03/23/2010 12:42:07 PM PDT by greyfox (If I were a Democrat I'd be pushing for the fairness doctrine too.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Ok...didn't realize hospitals will actually help someone without insurance...thanks.

You don't have to preach to me about government-run anything.....I've been there and seen what a joke it is, not to mention them intruding into our lives. I can guarantee one thing, if we all end up with govt insurance--all of our records will end up being public access.

57 posted on 03/23/2010 12:42:28 PM PDT by Fawn (Exterminate Pitbulls)
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To: Fawn
...if I loose my job...my insurance. Then I get maimed or find out I have a disease....then try to get insurance...

If you lose your job you go on COBRA. COBRA is the insurance you carry until you get a new job. It is designed to be the intermediary insurance in the situation you describe. I have cancer. I went on COBRA. The new company insurance picked right up where my old company insurance left off. The only people who don't have insurance are people too stupid to carry it. Everyone else is on Medicaid or Medicare.

The problem you are trying to identify is the "rider" some insurance carriers put on people with pre-existing conditions. It is my understanding this is only done with new policies, when the person had no insurance to begin with and wants to buy it outright. Pre-existing conditions will then be considered.
58 posted on 03/23/2010 12:43:13 PM PDT by DRey
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To: Fawn

Imagine if your auto insurance was tied to your job. If you quit that job, or lost that job, you lost your car insurance. And since you can’t legally drive without auto insurance, you would have to get another job to be able to drive.

Ridiculous, right?

Well that’s how the laws have set up health insurance.

Now, imagine that if you need an oil change, you need to contact your auto insurance who will negotiate a price for that oil change with your local garage (and they only work with certain garages in your area, so you have to make sure your garage in on their list). They will pay for your oil change and in return, you just have to pay a $20 co-pay on your visit to the garage on that day.

Ridiculous, right?

Well that’s how the laws have set up health insurance.

Now let’s say that you get a new job in a new State. But the rates for AAA in your new State is higher than the rates for Allstate, so when you get to your new job you have to break from your AAA plan and get a new Allstate plan, because that’s who your new job has contracted with. So, off you go looking over your plan, hoping it covers alignments because your car has been pulling to the right and hoping that it covers one of your local garages.

Ridiculous, right?

Well that’s how the laws have set up health insurance.


59 posted on 03/23/2010 12:43:37 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Fawn; mojito

There is an expression “jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.” Meaning leaving an uncomfortable situation by means of getting into an even worse one. That’s what Congress did Sunday night and Obama did this afternoon.


60 posted on 03/23/2010 12:44:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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