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To: jtal

Spot on. The government has a monopoly on the use of force, but, as many non-violent revolutions have shown, force is often a deception for those who poses it. They forget from whence their power comes and that is their downfall.

Even the great US Military could not stand against the combined weight of the American public (figuratively speaking, of course). The whole compact of government is that by ceding the monopoly on the use of force to a government, it is supposed to use that force to protect us. When it is used to subjugate, as I claim it has been doing since the advent of the income tax, it can no longer properly be called a representative democracy.

I would submit that the closest forms of government that fit our current situation prior to the Obama administration would be an oligarchy and after Obama, a Facist state model with private enterprise partially owned and directed by the state but with private companies nominally directing their affairs.


44 posted on 03/23/2010 5:26:50 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: LurkLongley

“I would submit that the closest forms of government that fit our current situation prior to the Obama administration would be an oligarchy and after Obama, a Facist state model with private enterprise partially owned and directed by the state but with private companies nominally directing their affairs.”
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You win today’s You Done Went and Said a Real Mouthful award!

The same leftist kooks who called Bush a Fascist and a Nazi scream when someone calls Obama a Fascist but he fits Benito Mussolini’s definition of a Fascist to the letter.


57 posted on 03/23/2010 5:36:36 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: LurkLongley
... government has a monopoly on the use of force, but, as many non-violent revolutions have shown, force is often a deception for those who poses it. They forget from whence their power comes and that is their downfall.

Horse puckey. First, there haven't been "many" non-violent revolutions. And second, those there have been were dependent on the rulers valuing the lives of the rebels more than their own governance.

You speak in fairytales.

104 posted on 03/23/2010 6:13:32 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: LurkLongley
The government has a monopoly on the use of force,

So they think. This says otherwise:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

And in the last 18 months or so, we have been exercising at least the "keep" part of that to the hilt. To the point where waits for ammunition are measured in months, and the orders measured in the several hundreds to a few thousands of rounds. We've bought enough guns to equip every memember of the Chinese and Indian armies, the two largest in the world, with a brand new firearm. Plus many were already quite well armed before that.

The whole compact of government is that by ceding the monopoly on the use of force to a government, it is supposed to use that force to protect us.

Americans, save a few deep red states, have never ceded a monopoly on the use of force to the government. It's just that in the past that private force has been used against other private individuals, such as thieves, rapists and (would be) murderers.

388 posted on 03/23/2010 3:16:36 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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