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It's a Civil War: What We Do Now
Townhall.com ^ | March 23, 2010 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/23/2010 4:56:20 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: LurkLongley
That is a load of crap. These people DO have the consent of the governed, we had an election. They won.

So what? They are still bound to stay within the limits of the Constitution. We are not a Democracy, but a representative Republic. They are the represenatives, true, but they are not free to do whatever they D*&$ well please.

461 posted on 03/24/2010 2:50:37 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: bcsco
That ZOT should be gold plated for knocking out a sleeper that old...

More like a Zot that glows in the dark.. for years.

(It's just a little Nuke, and French to boot, but sufficient for the purpose)

462 posted on 03/24/2010 2:58:57 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Oceander
enjoyable, but nontaxable

With this bunch, if it's enjoyable, they'll tax it. Golf, easy to tax. Running not so easy, but maybe a special tax on running shoes. They tax our guns and they tax our ammunition and then use the money to discourage gun ownership. (It was supposed to go to wildlife and habitat preservation). They could tax our range fees, targets, etc. I can see it now, $1/round $100 per visit to the range. But if they try to enact any of htat, the second amendment kicks in .. one way or another.

463 posted on 03/24/2010 3:13:57 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: ModelBreaker
"I have a kind of off the wall suggestion here. I think it is time for conservatives to give up on Iraq and Afghanistan, bring the troops home from overseas everywhere, demobilize the armed services, and support drastic cuts in military spending. We also need to drastically reduce the size of the military.

What the hell do you think we've been doing since the end of the Reagan administration? I'm sure the Chicoms, the Iranians and even old Hugo would be overjoyed.

Even the Reagan buildup was a blip on a general downward trend. The post WW-II fraction of GDP spent on Defense peaked at 11.6% in the early 1950s, and then settled down to aournd 8-8.5%, but dipping to 6.5% around 1965. The Vietnam peak was 8.9%, barely above the typical '50s fraction. The next low point was during the Carter Administration when it reached 4.6% of GDP. The much vaunted/maligned "Reagan buildup" only reached 6.0%, less than the pre-Vietnam low point. The fraction stayed only a bit below that for most of Bush I, "only" dropping to 4.6% (same as Carter era low) toward the end of his time. The minor cuts he put in place were expande by Billy Jeff to the point where the post WW-II (and some pre-war as well) fraction was 2.9% of GDP. FY 2009, including the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan expeditions, rose to 4.3% of GDP, below both the Carter and Clinton troughs. Meanwhile the non-defense fraction of the budget has risen to slightly more than make up the difference (Pre BO of course), with the total government fraction of the GDP remaining about the same.

Defense Budget Authority

No War Costs, Constant FY 2009 dollars (billions)

FY 2007 FY2008 FY2009 FY2010 FY2011 FY2012 FY2013

$455.9 $490.5 $515.4 $511.5 $505.9 $503.1 $501.3

With War Costs, Constant FY 2009 dollars

$628.5 $684.9 $585.4 $511.5 $505.9 $503.1 $501.3

Starting 2010, Obama's first budget, the war costs are rolled into the total

Thus while it might appear that the budget didn't drop much from Bush's last to Barry's first buget, if you look at the "No War Costs" line in reality it dropped over 10%, even allowing for some drop in war expenditures. That 2009 budget itself reprsented a cut in both war costs, and the rest of the budget. The 2009 reductions were in part due to cuts, such as program cancellations, that Barry made after Jan. 2009.

464 posted on 03/24/2010 4:37:50 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
WW2 pales in comparison to the civil war, but I don’t remember the generation after the civil war generation running amock, tearing society apart, become godless, etc.

Nope, they were too busy, along with a bunch of smelly immigrants particularly from Germany, and Scandanavia, and to some extent Ireland, settling the Great Plains and inter-mountain west, along with Czechs in some places. A little later, Greeks, Italians, Russians and Poles took the places in the big cities those earlier immigrants had left. Lots of Chinese and Japanese also immigrated, mostly to the west coast. But the Chinese also built railroads from the west as Irishman built them from the east. Accross the praires it was said their was an Irishman buried under ever mile of track. In realty, there were more than that. The Chinese were working in rougher terrain, and so their were even more Chinese graves per mile.

465 posted on 03/24/2010 4:48:36 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Spending time with your children is nontaxable. I'll leave to others to argue whether it's enjoyable (I personally find it quite enjoyable). Conversation in person is also nontaxable - and can be quite enjoyable when it involves political subversion against the reigning liberal fascists - anyone want a soapbox in Hyde park?

Besides which, there is no such thing as a pain-free activity while liberals are around - the point is, no matter how much they tax greens fees at public golf-courses, they will never be able to raise as much tax revenue as they would have been able to raise by taxing you if you were engaged in your customary income-producing activities (i.e., your work - whether it be an employment position for wages or your own business), and thus engaging in activities such as golf instead of being an entrepreneurial go-getter will help in the struggle to starve the beast of the tax revenues that are its life-blood.

Obamareich Standard, small version
466 posted on 03/24/2010 4:51:49 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Where were the parents of the kids that spit on our soldiers?

I don't know, but for the most part they were demographically indistinguisable from the parents of our soldiers. Although the latter tended to be more rural, and more southern and western. But that was only a tendency, not a firm distinction.

467 posted on 03/24/2010 4:54:37 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: nanetteclaret
The Viet Nam War had a lot to do with it - guys my age were drafted and couldn’t even vote! This was a huge issue which drove a lot of the rebellion.

An even higher fraction of those who fought WW-II were drafted.

Only 25 percent of the US Military who served in Vietnam were draftees. During WW II, 66 percent of the troops were draftees. The Vietnam force contained three times as many college graduates as did the WW II force. The average education level of the enlisted man in Vietnam was 13 years, equivalent to one year of college. Of those who enlisted, 79 percent had high school diplomas. This at a time when only 65% of the military age males in the general American population were high school graduates.

The average age of the military men who died in Vietnam was 22.8 years old. Of the one hundred and one (101) 18 year old draftees who died in Vietnam; seven of them were black. Blacks accounted for 11.2 percent the combat deaths in Vietnam. At that time black males of military age constituted 13.5 percent of the American population. It should also be clearly noted that volunteers suffered 77% of the casualties, and accounted for 73% of the Vietnam deaths. The charge that the "poor" died in disproportionate numbers is also a myth. An MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) study of Vietnam death rates, conducted by Professor Arnold Barnett, revealed that servicemen from the richest 10 percent of the nations communities had the same distribution of deaths as the rest of the nation. In fact his study showed that the death rate in the upper income communities of Beverly Hills, Belmont, Chevy Chase, and Great Neck exceeded the national average in three of the four, and, when the four were added together and averaged, that number also exceeded the national average.
(from 11th Armored Cavalry's Veterans of Vietnam & Cambodia ( a good article with lots of "myth busting" information.)

Those "myths" were put out by the likes of Obama's then future mentors and Clinton's buddies, and Clinton himself for that matter.)

468 posted on 03/24/2010 5:09:44 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: wbill
I'll be taking my family someplace safe

Where would that be? The Australian outback or New Zealand maybe?

The government will need scapegoats, and most of us will fit their bill quite nicely.

469 posted on 03/24/2010 5:11:50 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Oceander

They don’t seem to be all that interested in raising revenue. They’d follow the Reagan example if they were. No, they want to “discourage” some activites, and encourage others. They want to break the middle class most of all.


470 posted on 03/24/2010 5:18:23 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Kaslin

8. Find some leadership, and not a politician.


471 posted on 03/24/2010 5:21:23 PM PDT by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: nanetteclaret
BTW, lots of my classmates got drafted too, more joined on their own. A few, a very few, fled to Canada.

But I agree with the "so many of us" comment, but that explains Jan & Dean, The Beach Boys, and The Beatles., even the Mousketeers. (I still drool over Annette) It doesn't explain Woodstock or the "protest movement". That latter was driven by the Communists and their fellow travelers, like Obama's friends and neighbors, Bill Ayres and wife Bernadett Dorn, and of course his minister Reverand Wright.

472 posted on 03/24/2010 5:25:38 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Well, think about it: the North Vietnamese were not able to break Lt. Commander J. McCain, notwithstanding that they imprisoned him in the Hanoi Hilton and did unspeakable things to him (things that the liberals of the day thought were entirely deserved). If that cannot break the human spirit, then why on Earth should anyone other than a fool give in to the pisant attempts by our latter-day fascists to break us? And the fact of the matter is, no, they aren't going after things simply for revenue, but their little beast from the Book of Revelations cannot live without tax revenues, and therefore one of the surest ways to kill it is to starve it of revenues by not engaging in any activities that would generate large amounts of tax revenue for the beast.

Don't set up strawmen, it ain't worth the effort, and there are much more important things we should be focusing our energy on.

Obamareich Standard, small version
473 posted on 03/24/2010 5:31:49 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: outofstyle; Dead Corpse; papertyger
"I'm not following a hot head who is all talk"

Then try leading.


474 posted on 03/24/2010 5:37:05 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: wbill
Dunno if Rioters and Looters would hear that particular sound. They'd likely pi$$ themselves, if they did though.

A real riot, much worse than LA, Watts, Huff riots, etc, is a force unto itself. They might hear it, but it wouldn't really register. Or if did, it would matter to them in their maddness. Only using it would matter. And you run the magazine dry pretty quickly, which the one real problem with the shotgun as an anti riot tool. Still if you have two shooters, or more, some can have shotguns while others have ARs or AKs to keep the hordes back while the shotgun is reloaded. Everyone should have a handgun and lots of magazines. (Lots for the semi-auto rifles too). Even pistol caliber carbine, like the Marlin Camp 9 or 45, or even the HiPoint Carbine in 9 or .40 would prove quite usefull, if only because you'd need fewer shots per hit than with a pistol in the same caliber.(Uses pistol magazines too). But I have an M-1 Carbine for such uses, which has 15 and 30 round magazines, and they are cheap, while the ammo is not as expensive as most pistol ammo, unless you want some really fancy stuff. Probably, I'd let my wife shoot it, I have an M4 style semiauto, and a bit more 5.56 than .30 carbine ammo. Or maybe I'd let the older son in law use it, and the younger one can use the SKS.

475 posted on 03/24/2010 5:37:42 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Oceander
the North Vietnamese were not able to break Lt. Commander J. McCain

Yes they were. They broke most everyone they held, as all of them would admit. But they did not permanently break their spirits. Look at the photos of the returning POWs. They came back with their heads helf high. (And they got to enjoy the reactions of their captors during the Famous (infamous to the left) Christmas Bombings.)

their little beast from the Book of Revelations cannot live without tax revenues,

As far as I can tell, the ChiComs don't seem to mind subsidizing the Beast.

476 posted on 03/24/2010 5:46:04 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
No, they didn't break Lt. Commander McCain - they broke his body, not his spirit, and you don't break somebody until you break their spirit. Based on your posts, you might find some other fora, DU, e.g., more congenial than this forum.

Obamareich Standard, small version
477 posted on 03/24/2010 5:53:17 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: El Gato

John McCain, Prisoner of War: A First-Person Account
By John S. McCain III, Lieut. Commander, U.S. Navy

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html

I said, “O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.”


478 posted on 03/24/2010 5:53:48 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: wbill
"Unlike many here on FR that have Armageddon fantasies"

Eat it.


479 posted on 03/24/2010 5:59:09 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: concerned about politics; Dead Corpse
"Do you think Joe Schmo or Sally Smith down at the mall are with you?"

If not then they are part of the problem. To cite them shows the non serious nature of your approach.


480 posted on 03/24/2010 6:08:52 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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