[ThomasSawyer]

"Essentially, using Sawyer's logic, he just agreed that because he lives in America, that he is guilty of Pelosi's healthcare debacle."

I must say that is a stretch. I was born into this great country of which there is no other like it on the face of the earth. I can't simply walk down the street and find another country that holds the same founding principles. As Christians, we have been given a book by which to live our lives and also judge the doctrinal teaching of our church leaders. If I attend a denomination that adds, substitutes, or takes away from that at that denomination's and/or society's convenience, I find another denomination.

[xzins]

Again, you show you simply don’t understand how it works.

There is a reason more reps were opposed to this bill than supported it.

In terms of life, the conservatives in this denomination have worked for 2 decades to bring our statement on abortion around. It was at one time during the heyday of theological liberalism a pro-abortion position. Each quadrennium since it has been gradually crafted in the direction of a pro-life, rape/incest/life of mother position. We have just about succeeded, and with another 2 quadrennia we’ll be there.

But, you don’t understand how it works and what we’ve fought for.

I will admit, though, that it’s a lot easier to quit than to fight.