Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: iceskater; P-Marlowe

IF death panels are a part of a government health plan, then that would be immoral....the same as if abortion were a part of a gov’t plan.

However, there is nothing immoral about a government health plan. I, for example, am a military retiree, and I have had my health care provided by the military (a gov’t arm) for decades. There’s nothing immoral about health care unless the plan itself is immoral.

It is immoral, I think, to be unworkable. That is wrong with this particular plan. So is the failure to specifically prevent abortion. So is any committee that decides who is to get life-saving care and who won’t.

There is a difference between saying THIS plan has immoral elements and saying ANY plan a government could come up with is automatically immoral simply because it originates at a government level.


33 posted on 03/22/2010 8:31:19 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies ]


To: xzins

I think whenever government usurps the free market, then there is a problem that perhaps borders on immoral.

You’re giving me things to think about about.

I do believe that God inspired the Founders in the creation of our country. This law flies in the face of everything the Founders fought and died for. So, in that regard, I think this bill is immoral.

Still, I struggle. I really am having ‘issues’ with drawing the line between being in the local church and supporting the local church and by my presence in the local church giving tacit approval to policies and positions that are ‘questionable’ from a biblical perspective.

I am not a Bible scholar. I’m just a plain old member. All I know is this doesn’t ‘feel’ right.


34 posted on 03/22/2010 8:38:29 PM PDT by iceskater (The "public option" in government run health care means no option at all.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies ]

To: xzins; iceskater; blue-duncan; wmfights; wagglebee; Forest Keeper
However, there is nothing immoral about a government health plan. I, for example, am a military retiree, and I have had my health care provided by the military (a gov’t arm) for decades. There’s nothing immoral about health care unless the plan itself is immoral.

A Military retirement health plan is something you earned. It is not a "right" otherwise I should be entitled to the same policy that you have at the same cost.

The immoral thing about government mandated health care is that it takes away incentives to do charitable giving. If the government is providing all the needs of the poor, then I am not obligated as a Christian to care for the poor. That responsibility has now been shifted to the government and now rather than people relying upon God or upon the good graces of charitable people, they now rely on the government and in essence the government replaces the church and the government becomes "god".

I recognize that there is a moral obligation of people to provide for those who cannot under any circumstances provide for themselves, but again the obligation to pay for that should first fall upon those to whom God has charged with taking care of them, i.e., religious Christians and Jews and secondarily and as a last resort upon society as a whole.

So in my world, government run taxpayer paid and mandatorily prescribed health insurance is immoral and unconstitutional.

The mere unconstitutionality of this bill is reason enough to call it immoral. Congress and the Federal Government is under an obligation to act only in accordance with the Constitution, and when they violate that Constitution, they are breaking a covenant with the taxpayers and the citizens and as such they have acted immorally as well as illegally. This congress has broken down the covenant that our founders made with the Citizenry and as such they have, by the passage of this abortion, aborted the foundations of our Republic and plunged us into tyranny.

36 posted on 03/22/2010 8:43:41 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies ]

To: xzins

**IF death panels are a part of a government health plan, then that would be immoral....the same as if abortion were a part of a gov’t plan.**

I’m thinking that they probably are both a part of this.

I’ll go get the thread about Planned Parenthood celebrating because this passed. That’s enough proof for me that we still don’t know what is in this healthcare debacle.


37 posted on 03/22/2010 8:45:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson