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Senate GOP says Dems ignoring meeting requests (1974 Social Security Law jeopordizes entire bill)
The Hill ^ | 03/21/10 04:22 PM ET | The Hill Blog

Posted on 03/21/2010 2:44:33 PM PDT by GOPGuide

Senate Republicans on Sunday said that their Democratic counterparts have ignored requests to meet jointly with the parliamentarian about a potential rule violation that they say could halt the reconciliation healthcare bill.

Republicans say that a provision in the reconciliation packages raises Social Security revenue, thereby violating rules regulating the reconciliation process.

"Republicans have been trying to set up a meeting with Senate Democrats since yesterday to discuss this fatal point of order but have been met with nothing but silence," Don Stewart, spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said in a statement. "We suspect Democrats are slow walking us so as to have the House vote first."

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Republicans say that the Social Security provision breaks a rule that limits changes that can be made to entitlement programs using reconciliation.


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KEYWORDS: 1974; appealscourt; filibuster; healthcare; law; obamacare; scotus; senate
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Santorum was on with Greta and stated that this 1974 Social Security law violation Mitch McConnell had a press release about will not only kill the reconciliation package BUT take the whole Senate bill down with it.

Again, per Santorum, this 1974 law does not just stop reconciliation but the ENTIRE Senate bill:

http://republican.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_Id=6b53ad02-2d4b-4134-a08d-7c439defd83b

Breaking: “Fix” Bill May Not Advance In Senate

Senate Democrats Refuse Bi-partisan Meeting With Parliamentarian Until After House Votes

WASHINGTON DC – Senate Democrats have balked at a bi-partisan meeting with the Senate Parliamentarian to discuss a rule violation that could doom the entire House reconciliation proposal.

DON STEWART, McCONNELL SPOKESMAN: “Republicans have been trying to set up a meeting with Senate Democrats since yesterday to discuss this fatal point of order but have been met with nothing but silence. We suspect Democrats are slow walking us so as to have the House vote first. Since Senate Democrats refuse to meet with us and the Parliamentarian, we’ve informed our colleagues in the House that we believe the bill they’re now considering violates the clear language of Section 310g of the Congressional Budget Act, and the entire reconciliation bill is subject to a point of order and rejection in the Senate should it pass the House.”

BACKGROUND

DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP RELEASE: “The Congressional Budget Office estimate of the health care legislation shows an increase in Social Security revenues… CBO projects that the resulting increase in wages will generate $29 billion in additional FICA contributions to the Social Security Trust Fund.” (“Health Care Reform Update,” Office of Rep. Steny Hoyer, 3/21/10)

CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET ACT: “LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any reconciliation bill or reconciliation resolution reported pursuant to a concurrent resolution on the budget agreed to under section 301 or 304, or a joint resolution pursuant to section 258C of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, or any amendment thereto or conference report thereon, that contains recommendations with respect to the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance program established under title II of the Social Security Act.” (Congressional Budget Act Of 1974, Sec. 310g, P. 31)

1 posted on 03/21/2010 2:44:33 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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I want to emphasize what Rick Santorum said, the 1974 statute jeopordizes the WHOLE enchilada, not just the reconcilition package. To SCOTUS we go! http://republican.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_Id=6b53ad02-2d4b-4134-a08d-7c439defd83b

CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET ACT: “LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any reconciliation bill or reconciliation resolution reported pursuant to a concurrent resolution on the budget agreed to under section 301 or 304, or a joint resolution pursuant to section 258C of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, or any amendment thereto or conference report thereon, that contains recommendations with respect to the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance program established under title II of the Social Security Act.” (Congressional Budget Act Of 1974, Sec. 310g, P. 31)

2 posted on 03/21/2010 2:46:36 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

http://republican.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_Id=6b53ad02-2d4b-4134-a08d-7c439defd83b


3 posted on 03/21/2010 2:46:59 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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Sssshhhh...you can’t mention this, otherwide Stupak and his band of slimy thugs won’t be able to feign surprise after the vote!

“Huh...whuh...duuuhh, we didn’t know anytin’ ‘bout ‘dat. Aw, shucks and we went and voted an everytin’. Golly gee, if we’d only known”.


4 posted on 03/21/2010 2:47:59 PM PDT by LostInBayport (2010 - The Second American Revolution. The first shot was fired 1/19/2010 -- here in Massachusetts!)
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What part of “screwed” doesn't the GOP understand? Where is Steele? Where are the leaders? Where is Palin? Hiding under the desk from the big bad socialist machine...
5 posted on 03/21/2010 2:48:10 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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My head is spinning! The house will vote on the exact senate bill first! That makes reconciliation irrelevant.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 2:48:21 PM PDT by JoSixChip (It's time to embrace the madness! The sooner we default the sooner we can reorganize.)
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To: GOPGuide

I heard that and it is huge...!


7 posted on 03/21/2010 2:48:21 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (MELT THE PHONE LINES AGAINST OBAMACARE NOW!!!!)
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To: GOPGuide
Saw the interview-he said this bill won't pass.
8 posted on 03/21/2010 2:48:52 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: sheikdetailfeather

This is the REAL “March Madness”


9 posted on 03/21/2010 2:49:09 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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I don’t think the Supreme Court will get involved unless the Constitution is violated. If the Legislative Branch violates one of it’s own rules, that’s their problem. SC will be hands off.


10 posted on 03/21/2010 2:49:35 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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The house will vote on the exact senate bill first! That makes reconciliation irrelevant.

No, Santorum says the 1974 law throws a wrench into th gears and sinks BOTH the reconciliation package AND the actual Senate bill.

11 posted on 03/21/2010 2:49:44 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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Want to hear what Mark Levin hs to say about this 1974 rule.
Then again, Dems make the rules as they go along.


12 posted on 03/21/2010 2:50:16 PM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: JoSixChip
My head is spinning! The house will vote on the exact senate bill first! That makes reconciliation irrelevant.

That's what I was thinking-can't the Dem's vote no on reconciliation and then Obummer signs it-kind of confused?

13 posted on 03/21/2010 2:50:38 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Can someone please explain this?


14 posted on 03/21/2010 2:50:52 PM PDT by orchestra
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To: GOPGuide
Great post. Hopefully this issue can be tracked here. It is hard keeping up with what is going on, but this single issue is very, very interesting. We will see. Thanks for the post.
15 posted on 03/21/2010 2:50:57 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: GOPGuide

The House GOP needs to tell the entire House about this now. This means that Senate HCR bill is the ONLY bill now and that NO Fix bill will matter. All those in the JACKASS party have to be informed that they cannot hide behind any fix bill or EO. They will be fully exposed and cannot hide.


16 posted on 03/21/2010 2:51:01 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: tflabo

Fine, let them pass it then if it truly is a doomed piece of legislation.


17 posted on 03/21/2010 2:51:08 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: tflabo

Rules?? We Dems don’t need no stinkin rules!!!!


18 posted on 03/21/2010 2:51:26 PM PDT by Jazz1968
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To: April Lexington

McCain is shining Obama’s shoes and Palin is out raising money for McCain.

Some members of the GOP are out there fighting.


19 posted on 03/21/2010 2:51:41 PM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: April Lexington

Amen! Im asking the same thing? Where the hell is everyone? THere apologizing for some freakin racial slurs thats where Steele was this morning. Pieces of dung!!!!


20 posted on 03/21/2010 2:51:46 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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