[VRWCTexan]

Ok I am real confused -

Assuming the House passes the bill using the so called Slaughter rule and assorted amendments - but then the passage of these “House amendments” fails in the Senate -

...does the “orginal” senate bill (minus House amendments) automatically become law once signed by obama?

[Terry Mross]

Me, too. The house is making changes. I thought they had to accept the senate bill “as is”. I guess it just doesn’t matter anymore. Sad times in America.

[kevao]

The Slaughter rule does two things simultaneously:

1) Sends Senate bill to Obama for signature into law
2) Sends reconciliation bill to Senate for its passage

Obama must sign the Senate bill into law before the Senate can pass the House reconciliation bill, which would then go to Obama to sign into law.

[88keys]

Yes.

That's why the House Dem's are so skittish...they don't trust the Senate to actually take up their amended bill, in which case, the original Senate bill, signed by the Senate and the President, and "deemed" by the House, becomes the new law of the land.

[mwl8787]

Yes, the original Senate bill becomes law and it is a travesty. I hope that by some miracle that should the bill pass the House, the entire process breaks down between the chambers between now and November.

This entire nightmare would never be happening without the direct complicity of the MSM - his f—king cheerleaders.

[OldDeckHand]

Hang on, here it goes. Slaughter is a deeming rule that will be included in H.R. 4872 (AKA the Reconciliation Bill). That deeming rule will deem H.R. 3590 (AKA the Original Senate Bill) passed. Once H.R. 4872 passes the House, it will travel to the Senate Finance Committee, where it will be deliberated and sent to the floor for a vote, theoretically. In the meantime, H.R. 3590 will travel to the President for his signature, where it will become the law of the land.

If, H.R. 4872 dies in the Senate, H.R. 3590 will still be a law.

My personal opinion is if one the House gets their Reconciliation Bill passed, the Senate will capitulate.

[LostInBayport]

Beats me too. I am getting confused as to how many bills are out there. This is my understanding. I’m sure FReepers will chime in if I’m wrong.

I think the one uploaded today is the one Reid had in that backroom where no one could see it. It modifies the one the House approved.

The other version would be the same bill but without the Senate changes.

So if the House deems (how I have come to HATE that word) the one without Senate editing to pass, it goes to Obama for the mark of the beast.

If they vote on the one with Senate changes, it has to go to a conference committee for approval and then to a Senate vote. I think is the ‘shell game’ Paul Ryan warned about, where they could take the poisonous filling out and replace it with another pile of equally toxic sludge.

Am I anywhere near accurate?