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1 posted on 03/15/2010 12:01:07 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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2 posted on 03/15/2010 12:01:57 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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One of the primary reasons I think 'Obama-care' is going to pass.
It has nothing to do with health, but the Fed's need another 'revenue' stream pronto - lest their Ponzi scheme collapses in a heap...

They could also try slashing the spending side of the equation by slashing the size of the Government -- but that's not in their genetic DNA.
To do that - requires 'heroic' measures to remove this cancerous growth...

3 posted on 03/15/2010 12:06:27 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Don't you know it is HealthCare that is in Crisis !

/ sarcasm

4 posted on 03/15/2010 12:07:51 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: RobinMasters

Welcome to the End of the West.


5 posted on 03/15/2010 12:09:39 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: RobinMasters

I remember back when Herb Denenberg, former PA Insurance Commissioner and “consumer advocate” Said that there was nothing wrong with this practice and there was no danger of Social Security running out of money and the evil republicans where just lying and fear mongering.


6 posted on 03/15/2010 12:11:21 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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And on a related note...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2471264/posts

From MarketTicker

More than a decade ago I wrote a paper called "Investable Capital" which, unfortunately, I no longer have available for republication. What's worse is that some of the data set has been lost - at least I think it has. I expected that the negative FICA draw would begin in 2015, and that this would make a major shift in all market valuations. We're five yeas ahead of that time, largely due to the bubble-blowing. The original paper saw the Internet Bubble (because it was nascent at the time) but did not predict what Bush and Greedspan would do to try to arrest the effect of it popping.

We talk about ratings agencies downgrading the US Debt - they should have done it a decade ago. Why? Because we continually call the debt-to-GDP ratio as $12.57 trillion to ~$14 trillion "right", or 89.8%, while ignoring the claimed amounts of the Social Security and Medicare promises. But unless you're going to tell Granny that she's not going to get her check (or her health care), along with the 80 million boomers (all of who will instantly vote out anyone who tries to tamper with those programs, whether the money exists or not!) those "promises" are real.

So what's the real debt-to-GDP ratio of the federal government? About 500%, if one assumes the forward liabilities are on the low end of CBO and private estimates, or $60 trillion. This makes the total "debt" $72 trillion dollars and the ratio 514%!

7 posted on 03/15/2010 12:12:16 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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Are there any hard estimates of when Social Securiy and Medicare actually crash the government?


8 posted on 03/15/2010 12:12:52 PM PDT by pabianice
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Why the alarm from anybody?

Isn’t this exactly what Congress and the President wished to happen in 1983 as part of the Greenspan Commission http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/reports/gspan5.html
when they voted on the increase in SS taxes to pay for the continued life of the program?

Based upon this law that increased substantially the SS trust fund, Social Security woudl be solvent until 2056.

Why should we worry? Nothing has really changed since 1983, so all we have to do is draw down the trillions placed there to ride SS for the next 46 years.

Does anyone believe we might have been lied to about the way this all works?


9 posted on 03/15/2010 12:16:32 PM PDT by bestintxas
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...and so it begins..................


10 posted on 03/15/2010 12:17:48 PM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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"Too bad the federal government already spent that money over the years on other programs, preferring to borrow from Social Security rather than foreign creditors."

The problem with a statement like this is what's the alternative.


17 posted on 03/15/2010 12:41:28 PM PDT by DannyTN
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For years, I analogized that what the government did with the Social Security "Trust Fund" was like someone who has a 401k plan which only investment was loans to himself.

As a Gen Xer, the only thing I have to say to the President is, "Do you think I am Mrs. Obama?"

18 posted on 03/15/2010 2:18:08 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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Another Similar Post>

Social Security to start cashing Uncle Sam’s IOUs

http://bit.ly/cBOLl0


19 posted on 03/15/2010 7:25:12 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: RobinMasters

Ten Myths about Social Security
Greg Anrig, The Century Foundation, 1/26/2005
Myth #1: Social Security is in crisis and facing bankruptcy.
Myth #2: Social Security is unsustainable.
Myth #3: Social Security’s trust funds are filled with worthless IOUs.

more: http://www.socsec.org/publications.asp?pubid=507

Contributors to the above site are the “economic Experts” of the DNC ! Some from past administrations, some current. Go to the “Experts” page and you shall see.


20 posted on 03/16/2010 9:46:59 AM PDT by horsappl
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